Racism

Ah yes, that's it, I must be exhibiting extreme racialism. Your world truly is this tiny that you have nothing left but to try and convince yourself that someone that does not hold to your view must be something bad, something negative... I believe the bigot you are looking for will be in the mirror staring back at you. With the realization that you have nothing worthwhile to contribute but this nonsense, I leave you with your imagination to conjure up a world of make believe.

 

Societal norms are not changing, they are merely inoculated with prosperity at the moment, and not much longer I might add. Then you will find out whether my arguments are weak or not. Until then, if you don't understand the relationship between the economic/geopolitic and social cycles, I would suggest you do some more reading of history. It's not very pleasant.

The world is not getting better, it is getting worse. That is the effect of sin.


Since we are off topic, I'm done now.

BGTF

 

Right... Whatever. I've not only read the book and the criticisms, but have also conducted exhaustive research on the topic as this is my educational background. So what do you say to the fact that there are NUMEROUS case studies in which the Bell Curve cannot be defended because any one of Hernstein's and Murray's four main premises for IQ development are not met. Not to mention that these same four premises are false. To claim that race is the only factor in determining intelligence is naive at best because it completely discredits socioeconomics, and life experience. Beyond that even Hernstein and Murray have now publically acknowledged that the second premise of their research of substantial heritability of within group IQ was based on flawed argumentation. (Yep, they pretty much found it hard to explain how poor black children adopted into affluent intellectual homes average IQ differences EQUAL to the ENTIRE 15 point difference they purport)

BTW, Gould is also a Harvard professor. :laugh: That is why I thought I would list his book first, but it really doesn't matter. I find no need to debate this topic with you further. It is clear where your intelligence lies, and I find no further use or benefit to conversing with you. :laugh:

 

Oh no! My marriage will crumble under the pressure of it all I'm sure. What nonsense. Will my fellow BB's pray for me? :BangHead:

Guess I'm done as well, and I really don't need a history lesson either, or a political one, but you certainly could use one.

 

Geopolitical and/or social cycles should not be the determining factor as to who we marry, or even who we choose as friends.

That should be guided by God, not current events.

And since God does spell out racial segregation as His way, then it comes down to priesthood of the believer.

As long as we are not ignoring God's command to love one another, fine.

As long as we do not neglect opportunities provided by God to share the Gospel (based on any reason--pigmentation, social class, hatred, or plain laziness), fine.

As long as we don't judge someone unrighteously, fine. (that measure will be used to us)

As long as we do not blaspheme God by calling (either outwardly or by our attitude) a blood-bought creation of His something less than what he/she is--a precious person He died for--fine.

As long as we do not show favoritism as referred to in James, fine.

Beyond that...(broken record): Priesthood of the believer.

 

Since Mr.M brought up The Bell Curve , authored by Richard J. Herrnstein and Charles Alan Murray' and Filmproducer brought up a 'rebuttal' work, The Mismeasure of Man authored by Stephen Jay Gould, and both have told us what their 'champion' currently is saying, and I am going to admit up front, that I have never read either, so have no real concept of what either book suggested, now with all that said I do have one question for both of you.

Is this a bad time to bring up that Richard J. Herrnstein has been dead for 13 years and died before The Bell Curve was published and Steven Jay Gould has been dead for five years, so that he no longer is a professor at Harvard, and neither of you are able, any longer, to cite them as 'current' to 'prove' your points? Just wonderin'!

Yeah, on reflection, it probably is a bad time to mention this little bit of history.

Ed

 

The Bell Curve "research" was funded by the Pioneer Fund, a eugenics foundation. I'm kind of surprised to find eugenics supported here at the Baptist board.

 

Already knew he was dead Ed. Cancer, I think...I have been having to edit quite a few of my posts as of late. Too much multi-tasking, I guess.

His work still stands, though. There is no cognitive proof that itelligence is based on genetics, and that Asians are intellectually superior to whites, and whites far intellectually superior to blacks, and so and so forth. The Bell Curve purports that race is the common factor in determining intelligence among the races and turns a blind eye to socioeconomics and pretty much everything else. As for Hernstein and Murry's work the "Bell Curve", the basic theory itself, though called by myriads of other names, has been around since the early 1900's when so-called scientists tried measure skull sizes to determine genetic intellectual aptitude. Know what? Still can't be proven, and never has been even with the 800 or so page verbose Bell Curve by Hernstein and Murray.

 

Racisim is a sin.
anyone who says he loves God but hates one of his brothers is a liar would you like to know which book, chapter and verse?
do you need more references?
that one should be enough

 

wow, yall are still fussing over this one? whoever sad it many pages earlier, I cant believe that its even a question!

 

Furthermore....

there is only one race – the human race. Caucasians, Africans, Asians, Indians, Arabs, Jews, etc. are not different races. Rather, they are different ethnicities of the human race. All human beings have the same physical characteristics (with minor variations of course). More importantly, all human being are created in the image and likeness of God (Genesis 1:26-27). God loves the entire world (John 3:16). Jesus laid down His life for everyone in the entire world (1 John 2:2). The “entire world” obviously includes all ethnicities of humanity.
God does not show partiality or favoritism Deuteronomy 10:17; Acts 10:34; Romans 2:11; Ephesians 6:9), and neither should we. James 2:4 describes anyone who shows discrimination as “judges with evil thoughts.” Instead, we are to “love our neighbors as ourselves” (James 2:8). In the Old Testament, God divided humanity into two “racial” groups: Jew and Gentile. God’s intent was for the Jews to be a kingdom of priests, ministering to the Gentile nations. Instead, for the most part, the Jews became proud of their status and despised the Gentiles. Jesus Christ put an end to this, destroying the dividing wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:14). All forms of racism, prejudice, and discrimination are affronts to the work of Christ on the cross.
Jesus commands us to love each other as He loves us (John 13:34). If God is impartial, and loves us with impartiality, that means we need to love others with that same high standard. Jesus teaches at the end of Matthew 25 that whatever we do to the least of his brothers, we do to Him. If we treat a person with contempt, we are mistreating a person created in God’s image; we are hurting somebody that God loves and Jesus died for.
Racism, in varying forms and to various degrees, has been a plague on humanity for thousands of years. Brothers and sisters of all ethnicities, this should not be! To victims of racism, prejudice, and discrimination – you need to forgive. Ephesians 4:32 declares, “Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.” No, racists do not deserve your forgiveness, but we deserved God’s forgiveness far less! To perpetrators of racism, prejudice, and discrimination – you need to repent and “…present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God” (Romans 6:13). May Galatans 3:28 be completely realized, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
11. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 12. No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 13. Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. 14. And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 15. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. 16. And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. 17. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 18. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19. We love him, because he first loved us. 20. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21. And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
1 John 4 11-21

 

You'd figure it'd be black and white by now.
























Yeah, I know I said I'd "get out" of this thread...Sorry. But do unrelated hijack humor posts (UHHP) count?

 

This does "lower the bar" for "bad taste".

And mine was already pretty low, I admit.

Ed

 

This brings me to an observation.

In Kazakhstan we noticed a lot of racism between the Russians and the Kazakhs that we met. It was actually a little more hostile than what we see here in the U.S. between blacks and whites.

What I find interesting was that much of the stereo types we heard between the groups were the same things I hear between groups in the US.

Racism is not the result of any acutal observation of one race by another, but rather a reaction intended to uplift one's self.

So to once again, and in another way, answer the question of the OP: yes, racism is sin because it glorifies self.

 

Ed, you should learn much from someone like me.

The key is...when you get to rock bottom...continue to dig.