Racism

[TCGreek]

If you're referring to my post, then there are no Scriptures.

That's just my personal observation.

I think there will be such a thing as culture clash, and better to avoid them.

1. What do you mean by culture clash?

2. What does culture have to do with two believers of different ethnic backgrounds becoming one is marriage?

3. The same way missionaries go to another culture and assimilate, the same way two people of different cultures can become one.

4. Culture clash is another name for overt racism.

 

[tinytim]

The Bible makes no such declaration that governments may not discriminate. I am not interested in adding to the Word of God by declaring otherwise.

I am beginning to see your value system...

So you are for discrimination? If you are not against it, you must be for it...

The underlying principle in the Bible is to treat everyone equal...


Neither Jew nor Greek...

Would you say smoking Pot is a sin?
Where is the Biblical mandate for that one?

Gotta run now... we have choir practice... But I will be back....:wavey:

 

[Lazarus]

Jesus looked at people not races. When he saw an Ethiopian or a Roman he saw a lost soul needing redemption.

Ro 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

For a Christian, Race or Nationality should be a non issue. If it does become an issue for a Christian then it is indeed sin because it is of the old nature of man, the flesh.

 

[Mr.M]

I am beginning to see your value system...

So you are for discrimination? If you are not against it, you must be for it...

The underlying principle in the Bible is to treat everyone equal...


Neither Jew nor Greek...

Would you say smoking Pot is a sin?
Where is the Biblical mandate for that one?

Gotta run now... we have choir practice... But I will be back....:wavey:

What do you mean when you post a partial verse...."neither Jew nor Greek". Are you implying [insult removed] that this means is national, ethnic and racial distinctions are no longer valid social and political distinctions? Of course you aren't and you wouldn't be that ignorant....right?

You do realize that the context is referring to the fact that unlike during the Theocracy of Israel where there was a specific geographically and genetic identification of God's people the protocol for believers during the church age has changed and such distinctions are no longer valid regarding the identify of God's people? But of course you aren't that ignorant and do understand the right context and wouldn't be such a foolish nitwit as to misuse Scripture in an attempt to offer a broken crutch to support a lousy and ill-considered position....not you.

I am not sure why suddenly you are concerned with smoking pot other than to pick another topic not covered in Scripture so you can attempt to impose your self-righteous conscience on others and declare what your conscience says in a matter of liberty is binding on all believers. Nah, you wouldn't be that arrogant and self-righteous, of course not. Good thing God has you to come along and clean up his mess and make clear what he left unsaid for believers to decide in their own conscience before God as a matter of faith in liberty. Now here in America it is illegal. The Scriptures do not compel me to smoke pot some at this point I would be rebelling against a valid governmental law, hence rebelling against God and sinning. However, in a country or place where it is not illegal, I have my conscience and of course God has you to clean up His Scriptural mess up and make clear what he left as a matter of personal conscience.

So what about discrimination? Am I for it? If it means keeping those who misuse Scripture and ADD to the Word of God from ever being ordained...yeah that's the kind of discrimination I support. God supports it. He forbids novices from being ordained. Yep, God discriminates who may and may not be ordained for ministry and guess what? Novices may not be ordained. How about that God discriminates. WOW.

Hey, did you know God made the husband the head of the wife? Uh oh, gender discrimination. The woman is not allowed to be the head of the husband in marriage. Oh no...there goes God with more discrimination.

I'll let you go lecture God about discrimination, apparently God is a sinner in your book.

 

[rbell]

amazing...never thought I'd see racism justified on the BB.

Glad it's a small minority that feels that way.

 

[Lazarus]

Mt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

 

[Filmproducer]

It depends what you mean by racism. If you mean racial superiority, that is a sin; but if you mean racial separation, then no that is not a sin.

The Bible clearly condemned interracial marriages for Israel to keep them pure, for them it was a sin to marry inter-racially. A Christian is free to marry outside of their race, but they are best off to marry an equal yoked partner that comes from a similar racial background, whatever it may be.

We are justified before God by faith, and we justify God before men by works. The fact that someone even asks this question means that someone has a problem with it.

IE
If my marrying of someone from another race caused a lost person to discount the gospel message I preach, then it would have been better for me not to have done that.


BGTF

Isn't that ADDing to scripture a might bit? Unequally yoked pertains to Christians and non-Christians, NOT skin color.

 

[Lazarus]

Isn't that ADDing to scripture a might bit?

That scripture seemed appropriate seeing the sharp edge the venom seemed to have on this thread.

 

[Filmproducer]

I am having the strangest dream...after months of being off of the Baptist Board, I return to find TinyTim accused of a "fit" and PastorSBC comapred to Jim Jones. This is usually the part where I'm having to take the unexpected final exam in my underwear...I hope I wake up soon.


Seriously, Galatians 3:28 says that in Christ, there is niether Jew nor Greek, so I would say that to make such distictions of race are contrary to the principles of Christ, and thus, sin.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I haven't laughed that hard in along time. I really did spit my drink out, only it was diet Mt. Dew and not water!

 

[SaggyWoman]

Culture clash.

You know, except that I have been overseas to see real cultural differences, marriage of any kind is a "culture" clash. We were all raised differently, and that in its own right is cause for clash.

 

[TCGreek]

Culture clash.

You know, except that I have been overseas to see real cultural differences, marriage of any kind is a "culture" clash. We were all raised differently, and that in its own right is cause for clash.

Now, that's a penetrating thought to muse on!

 

[SaggyWoman]

Racial separation is not a sin?

Hmmmmmm.

God commanded the Jews not to intermarry, but that was do to the religion. It was permitted when other races followed God.

 

[mcdirector]

Hahahahahahahahaha...this is hilarious. Having a fit and then attempting to recruit people to take your side. Sadly, this is the method the Pharisees used to form a mob and murder Jesus. Tsk tsk. But I am sure you'll have some takers.

As a matter of point, YOU nor I am right and your question is flawed. The Bible is right but then you APPEAR TO ME TO BE very concerned about your being seen as right so I understand why it is more important for you that people determine YOU are right as opposed to the Bible. I'll leave you to your rope.

I read that other thread. I never saw Tim having a fit.

People start side-by-side threads for discussion so as not derail the original thread all the time.

 

[Filmproducer]

That scripture seemed appropriate seeing the sharp edge the venom seemed to have on this thread.

Huh? I honestly do not know to what you are referring.

I was referring only to BGTF, whose post I specifically quoted. I will not lie I have problem, not personally but theologically, with those who use the unequally yoked verses to condemn or dissuade others over interracial marriage. I can also honetly say I have never seen Romans 14 used as a caution for those who do intermarry. That's a new one, and not one I agree with by the way. If a fellow Christian stumbles in his faith because another Christian interracially marries, that stumbling Christian IS sinning, not the other way around.

 

[Mr.M]

Being unequally yoked refers specifically to believers and nonbelievers. There is no legitimate application regarding interracial marrying, regardless of one's personal or theological views.

 

[Filmproducer]

Being unequally yoked refers specifically to believers and nonbelievers. There is no legitimate application regarding interracial marrying, regardless of one's personal or theological views.

Well, well, looks like we agree about something. :wavey:

 

[Mr.M]

Well, well, looks like we agree about something. :wavey:

Well you must not be misbehaving today then...heh heh.:laugh:

 

[Magnetic Poles]

My marriage is a culture clash. She's a woman, I'm a man! :laugh:

And not only that, she's a West Virginia hillbilly and I'm a dumb Okie!

 

[Timsings]

I just cannot believe this is even a topic we would discuss as Christians.

Racism is a sin. End of discussion!

I agree. There are some topics that just don't even need to be brought up. But, what I find interesting, in light of some other threads here that have generated a great deal of traffic, is how scripture is being used to support the sinful nature of racism. To cite Galatians 3.28 in part (There is no such thing as Jew and Greek . . .), raises a question as to how the rest of the verse (i. e., . . . male and female . . .) relates to a recent thread on the elevation of women in church and societyhttp://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=41451. If that part of the verse is not enough to justify women as ministers, then can we legitimately use the other part of the verse to condemn racism? And, just for the record, I think that racism is sin.

Tim Reynolds

 

[Joe]

Well, well, looks like we agree about something. :wavey:

I doubt you agree with his quote if you read his post as I did.
But I could be wrong