Thats a Lie. Those Christ died for are reconciled to God by His Death while they are enemies, in a unregenerated state Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by savedbymercy, Sep 18, 2012.
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Take note the contrast between "WERE enemies" versus "being justified" in Romans 5:10 is at the decisive point of change in verse 11 when we "received the atonement." -
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Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit;
Thats being saved by His Life, When He becomes actually a quickening Spirit via the work of the Spirit ! 1 Cor 15:45
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
The Life giving however is future from the reconciliation which occured while they were still enemies and dead in trepasses and sins. Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
This verse exposes your lies and false teaching against the Death of Christ ! -
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Rom. 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ,[Justification] we believe that we shall also live with him:[Sanctification]
The power of his resurrection LIFE is what saves our life for his glory after we are justified by faith. We simply walk as we received the Lord Jesus Christ. -
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It cannot be more plainer than that Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
They were reconciled but not yet saved by His Life ! That would be a future event ! -
Romans 5:8 But God commends his own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. -
The Gospel Call of Reconciliation !
2 Cor 5:19-20
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
The Gospel Call of Reconciliation in 2 Cor 5:20 " be ye reconciled to God" in the greek this is a command, an imperative, and it is also in the passive voice, meaning quite frankly the command is instrumental in actually reconciling those the summons is issued to, and this command is not to all men without exception, as false teachers that lie, would have us believe, but it is only to those that belong to that world before in Vs 19, that had not its trespasses imputed to them, and hence a forgiven world, a redeemed world ! And the OT confirmation of this premise is here Isa 43:25;44:22
25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
Or it can very well say, be reconciled to me Ye were reconciled to me by the Death of My Son Rom 5:10 !
Clearly Remission of sins is the foundation for the imperative, return unto me, which is but the OT counterpart for "be ye reconciled to God" and both appeals are made upon the doing away of their sins before God's Sight !
Those trespasses that were not imputed to that World in 2 Cor 5:19 were done away with by the Lamb of God Jn 1:29 ! And it is to them only, the Call goes out '"Be ye reconciled to God " ! -
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They are still reconciled by His Death Col 1:21
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
So its all God's Work.
You are back to your false work salvation notions as to say one is saved by keeping a command. -
So we are NOT to keep now the commands God issues to us?
For ALL the Apostles said that unless you receive jesus by faith.... -
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On the other thread you have demonstrated that you don't believe in Total Depravity.
Here you demonstrate that you don't believe in sola fide.
It is difficult to determine just what you do believe in.
Everything seems to be either a lie or a heresy, doesn't it? -
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2 Cor 5:19 Preaching Reconciliation !
2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
When Preaching the Word of reconciliation as the Apostle Paul did, it is imperative to Preach the Non Imputation of sin or trespasses unto those Christ died for and reconciled to God by His Death Rom 5:10, for in our text we read in 2 Cor 5:19 how was God reconciling the World [The Church] unto Himself, for it is put quite plainly " by not imputing their trespasses against them !
The word trespasses here is the greek word paraptÅma and means:
to fall beside or near something
2) a lapse or deviation from truth and uprightness
a) a sin, misdeed
Its also where we get the word fall away as here Heb 6:6
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
So when one for whom God reconciled falls away, that one or ones does not have that laid to their charge. All for whom Christ died did fall away at first in Adam, that was not laid to their charge.
Now understand, everyone of that World in 2 Cor 5:19 is freed or Justified from all sin, they have a clean slate before God, God views them, even as sinners and dead in sin, He views them with no sin charges against them Rom 8:33 ! He views them as the blessed man here Rom 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
The word man here is used generically to denote a group of both men and women, and we can very well understand Vs 8 to read this way:
8 Blessed is the world as in 2 Cir 5:19 to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Such a world is freed or Justified from the legal charge of sin before God ! -
2 Cor 5:19 Preaching Reconciliation cont
I have shown from scripture that the Word of Reconciliation does include non imputation of sin 2 Cor 5:19, which means all those reconciled to God by the death of His Son are born into this world, yes as sinners by nature and depraved and enemies to God, but with no sin legally charged unto them ! They have a clean slate before God. Now for the next Gospel point of reconciliation and non imputation, it also means for those reconciled remission or forgiveness of sins, Notice Rom 4:7
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
The word forgiven here in the greek means this:
"to send away, set free;" also "to let alone," To be cancelled !
The idea is also that their sin debt to God's Law and Justice has been covered ! They are no longer in the face of God with regard to punishment due unto them !
Now Vs 8 helps clarify Vs 7, that is sins are forgiven and cancelled, and covered because they are not charged to them, because they are or have been charged to their Surety, the Lord Jesus Christ.
In light of this, the Reconciled world of 2 Cor 5:19, this Blessed World that the Lord WILL NOT IMPUTE SIN, is a forgiven World, the sins and trespasses of this World are covered !
So let it be known that the Reconciled World of 2 Cor 5:19; Rom 5:10a is a blessed, forgiven and justified World ! And for any to appeal to this verse to prove that Christ died for all without exception, they are guilty of wresting the scripture, and showing their willful ignorance of the Truth of the Gospel ! -
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2 Cor 5:19-20
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
"Reconciled" must be a synonym to "regenerate." "Them" refers to "the world."
Or does God "un-reconcile" those who omit "inviting Jesus?" -
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>Originally Posted by Yeshua1
>So we are NOT to keep now the commands God issues to us?
>For ALL the Apostles said that unless you receive jesus by faith....
have to do with #67?
Please give me a list of the commands that God issued to me?
Obviously not the 613 positive and negative statements of Torah because I am a gentile living in the US. -
Legally Reconciled first !
All those that Christ died for are legally, but not experimentally reconciled to God in Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Yes here in Rom 5:10a Paul is only speaking of Reconciliation legally before God, no sin has been imputed to our charge. Even when those Christ died for are yet enemies and unbelievers they have been reconciled to God; However he does goes on to speak on their experimental Reconciliation [by His Death and Life] as a sure event to transpire in their life, this he does when he states " Much more, being Reconciled [while enemies] we SHALL be saved by His Life" Now this phrase 'shall be saved by His Life" means their experimental reconciliation is certain, which is what he means here Col 1:21-22
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Now in the Rom 5:10a passage Paul teaches that all for whom Christ died are reconciled to God legally, even while experimentally they were being enemies; and because of that reconciliation legally, they shall be saved from being enemies, which is what Paul stated to the believing Colossians here in Col 1:21, where Paul states they were once [past tense] enemies. But remember, even while being enemies in their mind, they had legally still been Reconciled to God by Christ's Death, but now they have been experimentally Reconciled.
So Paul Teaches by the Death of Christ a Twofold Reconciliation effected by Christ's Death, One which is solely legal, it being effected even while they are being enemies Rom 5:10a; and #2 One that is effected that saves them experimentally out of being enemies in their minds Col 1:21, and Both are effected by the Death of Christ Col 1:22
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through[because of His] death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Now understand this also, This also confirms that its Through Christ's Death as the Meritorious cause it effects both legal and experimental Reconciliations to God, even as it is called 'being saved by His Life" in Rom 5:10b !
So for anyone to say that Christ's Death alone, in and of itself does not save one experimentally, they are LIARS and ANTICHRIST !! For anyone to tamper with the Saving Efficacy of the Meritorious Death of Christ, His Blood and Cross, they are a Child of the Devil,m who perverts the Right ways of the Lord Acts 13:10
10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
The challenge is out for anyone to prove anything, any one point not true in this post, that sets forth truthfully the Gospel of Reconciliation by the Blood of Christ ! -
Answer the question that others keep posing to you?
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