Tom Butler
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That, and those who base their hope on "I said the prayer."
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Reformed Altar Calls?
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That, and those who base their hope on "I said the prayer."
That's not what he meant. He meant it's not the "doctrine" that saves. It's Jesus that saves.
You may think you've got it all figured out and tied up in a neat little box, but you don't. Even the greatest theologians disagreed on certain things and still remained unified in the faith. God saves Primitive Baptists but He also saves Free Will Baptists, Missionary Baptists, Southern Baptists.....He even saves some who aren't Baptists at all.
1.... Go back to the post....I wasnt addressing it to you but Saturn Neptune
2. I dont have it all figured out & I wasnt a Baptist at the time. I had no convictions but to sin & do it mightily.
3. I am not stepping foot in any Church that does alter calls....period.
preacher4truth
Active Member
That's not what he meant. He meant it's not the "doctrine" that saves. It's Jesus that saves.
You may think you've got it all figured out and tied up in a neat little box, but you don't. Even the greatest theologians disagreed on certain things and still remained unified in the faith. God saves Primitive Baptists but He also saves Free Will Baptists, Missionary Baptists, Southern Baptists.....He even saves some who aren't Baptists at all.
No way!!! Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Bite yo tongue! :tongue3: :laugh:
you mean that God will get into heaven those who speak in tongues, KJVO, baptised by sprinkling, baptised Infants etc along with Baptists?
preacher4truth
Active Member
1.... Go back to the post....I wasnt addressing it to you but Saturn Neptune
2. I dont have it all figured out & I wasnt a Baptist at the time. I had no convictions but to sin & do it mightily.
3. I am not stepping foot in any Church that does alter calls....period.
You're a Maverick!!! No wait, maybe you're a Mercury Comet instead! :wavey: :love2: :laugh:
Oh, by the way, many churches are filled with those who got saved at an invitation. I'm talking genuine salvation, showing fruit, changed heart/life.
preacher4truth
Active Member
What's the sign on their church say? :thumbsup: :tongue3: :laugh:
Yes. Shocking isn't it? :laugh:
saturneptune
New Member
Have you read any of my posts. I grew up in a church that is their claim to fame, and yes, I fully, 100%, believe God is sovereign. Maybe my wording was bad. Have you read the posts on this board about Doctrines of Grace? How much could one learn or be edified by the garbage that is thrown back and forth between the two sides? I refuse to bring that into the place I worship the Lord. Of course DOG makes a difference in salvation.Im sorry ...you dont feel that Doctrines of Grace DONT make a difference in Salvation?!? Really!!!
I believe you know exactly what I meant. If the Lord has chosen someone, then they will be saved whether or not they agree with me or not. It is not something I am going to rip the church in half (or in our case about 15%) over like if someone was saying Jesus is not the Son of God, is God, and is our only way of salvation. If someone was requiring Baptism for salvation, that is a different story. For example, brother Tom and I disagree about open and closed communion within the church. I admire him and look to him for advice on many areas of spiritual life, but this is one area he missed the mark. (lol) We do not tear the church up over it. We talk about it in a very civil way.
It seems to me you make this an issue on the same level as the Divinty of Christ, which is where something would have to be before I would interject myself into something that could destroy a local church.
Without the Lord regenerating me, and having chosen me, I would be as lost as I was the day I was born. He did everything, the faith to believe, the gift of salvation, and the desire to tell others about the Gospel. If some people on this board spent as much time spreading the Gospel to the lost as they do defending Armininism or Calvinism (what a guy to name a doctrine after), maybe their churches would be filled with more saved people (that the Lord chose). What does any of this have to do with not having an altar call?
I get the feeling you like to take different interpretations of what people say, and suit it to your position. There is no way you thought that I meant what you implied I said.
preacher4truth
Active Member
lol...I had a guy tell me he wouldn't come to our church, so I asked him why not. He told me "'cause it says 'Baptist' on it, and they cut of his head" while making the throat slicing motion. :laugh:
I asked him what it should say. He tells me it must say "Church of Christ just like in the Bible!!!" So I asked what do we do with the passage that says "Churches of God?" and he says "You're trying to confuse me!" and we both kind of laughed for a minute.
He and his wife became faithful to coming to church after that. :laugh: :wavey:
Tom Butler
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Originally Posted by saturneptune
What is the purpose of manufactured conflict in a local church for a doctirne that makes no difference in anyone's salvation. It is fine here on this board, but I am not going to worship at a local church that centers around conflict about DOG, Bible versions, end of times, etc instead of Jesus Christ and the Gospel. The local church would be a reflection of some of the threads on this board on Calvinsim. Been there done that.
Since SN and I serve the same church, I know what he's talking about, so let me expand on his post.
We are part of a small number of folks who are DoGs. We are in a minority in our church. Our pastor is not a DoG. But his preaching is sound, and his calls to repentance and faith are Biblical. His view of salvation is the same as SN's and mine.
We are not about to start a crusade to convert everybody to DoG. We're not about to get into conflict over eschatology. At worst, we may have some friendly discussions, but we're not going to unnecessarily foment conflict.
Any disagreements we have over DoG, or anything else, will be argued here on the BB, but not in our church. If our pastor is preaching heresy, then I'll tear the place apart. But not just so my view prevails.
Our church went through conflict years ago. We hate it, and are willing to go a long way to preserve the unity which we have now. That means we are careful about the battles we pick.
What is the purpose of manufactured conflict in a local church for a doctirne that makes no difference in anyone's salvation. It is fine here on this board, but I am not going to worship at a local church that centers around conflict about DOG, Bible versions, end of times, etc instead of Jesus Christ and the Gospel. The local church would be a reflection of some of the threads on this board on Calvinsim. Been there done that.Im sorry ...you dont feel that Doctrines of Grace DONT make a difference in Salvation?!? Really!!!
Since SN and I serve the same church, I know what he's talking about, so let me expand on his post.
We are part of a small number of folks who are DoGs. We are in a minority in our church. Our pastor is not a DoG. But his preaching is sound, and his calls to repentance and faith are Biblical. His view of salvation is the same as SN's and mine.
We are not about to start a crusade to convert everybody to DoG. We're not about to get into conflict over eschatology. At worst, we may have some friendly discussions, but we're not going to unnecessarily foment conflict.
Any disagreements we have over DoG, or anything else, will be argued here on the BB, but not in our church. If our pastor is preaching heresy, then I'll tear the place apart. But not just so my view prevails.
Our church went through conflict years ago. We hate it, and are willing to go a long way to preserve the unity which we have now. That means we are careful about the battles we pick.
Originally Posted by saturneptune
Since SN and I serve the same church, I know what he's talking about, so let me expand on his post.
We are part of a small number of folks who are DoGs. We are in a minority in our church. Our pastor is not a DoG. But his preaching is sound, and his calls to repentance and faith are Biblical. His view of salvation is the same as SN's and mine.
We are not about to start a crusade to convert everybody to DoG. We're not about to get into conflict over eschatology. At worst, we may have some friendly discussions, but we're not going to unnecessarily foment conflict.
Any disagreements we have over DoG, or anything else, will be argued here on the BB, but not in our church. If our pastor is preaching heresy, then I'll tear the place apart. But not just so my view prevails.
Our church went through conflict years ago. We hate it, and are willing to go a long way to preserve the unity which we have now. That means we are careful about the battles we pick.
My situation is the opposite!
pastor is an "evangelical arminian" with many elders cal!
Congregation split on that issue!(NOT split like the church, but on IF one is cal or arm!)
We agree to disagree and go forward for common cause of Christ!
saturneptune
New Member
I would disagree in that when Paul planted churches he was the only elder. In scripture there is more than one method. The real issue is the people not the place of position. I have seen congregational ruled churches falling apart and elder ruled churches falling apart. There is no secret found in the office but God working through people.
In scripture we find leaders appointed, selected, and church planter. The most important in that is who are the leaders. They must have proven themselves first.
As churches grow the methodology will change. A church of 10,000 will be led very differently than a church of two or three.
How bout RC's? :tongue3:
It is what it is.:tongue3:
1st problem is Arminian Pastor then a blended church. Id never go to them.
preacher4truth
Active Member
No, Presbyterians do.
Baptists have seen two offices (bishop and deacon: Phil. 1:1, I Tim. 3) in Scripture. They do not see a separate third office of elder.
saved by the election of God, despite their bad theology!