And now we see your true colors. You butcher God's word, question his sovereignty, refuse to accept his full authority in saving souls without human assistance and you call me, who has provided countless passages of scripture showing your works salvation by law to be wrong, yet you call me a "nutjob." Your hardness of heart is evident. I wonder if you would change your mind if Jesus himself met you and talked to you.
I pray you one day come to understand biblical grace.
Reformed V Biblical Salvation
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jun 16, 2021.
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However let me clarify....this is not....the classic rainforest question.
This is specific.....you posted jn.12:32.......how did that in anyway draw the man in the rainforest? Jesus accomplishes redemption.....how was that man drawn to salvation because Jesus was "lifted up"? -
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You cannot blame God for mans sin.
Your position seems to lead many to say such.
There are many good men on here who deny a point or two of the 5 pts.
They do not hold all 5 yet, but they defend their view WITHOUT blaming God, or calling names. -
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Comment on the verses...try to follow what they say. -
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Reformation theology is because of its Biblical theology. Where Christians disagree is were one or both depart from the Biblical.
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However, I don’t know if he believes you have to keep works up, but I don’t.
Anyway, I believe the free gift of Salvation is accepted and doesn’t need to have any works to maintain it. We are secured through Christ eternally. We are called as Christians to do good works though. But Salvation does not need to be earned.
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English Language Learners Definition of fatalism : the belief that what will happen has already been decided and cannot be changed.
Fatalism is a family of related philosophical doctrines that stress the subjugation of all events or actions to fate or destiny.
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God is not to blame for man’s sin. I don’t even know from what you made this up from.
When examined one can say they only hold to a pt or 2, but to accept any of them ultimately requires them to accept them all.
If God has already pre-saved people, then you’d have to accept others have been pre-doomed to hell.
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it teaches that God in love has an eternal plan that is progressively revealed throughout time ,
and now fully revealed to the Church.
God in love controls whatsoever comes to pass.
If you want fatalism look to Islam.
So by making such an accusation you demonstrate your two errors.
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free will is a carnal philosophy not taught anywhere in scripture ...
offer your free will verse....not verses saying choose.....but rather free will...go for it... -
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show it in scripture
Where did i say God pre saved people?
God planned and elected a multitude to become saved.
They were all born dead in Adam.
They were children of wrath,even as others.
you cannot play fast and loose with the languge.
predestination is used positivey of the elect being conformed to the image of the Son.
I am not interested in your logic but rather scripture.
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It’s believing what will happen has already been decided. Same thing!
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