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Regarding John 3:16, which do you prefer?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by alexander284, Dec 29, 2019.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Only Begotten denotes equality and sameness as the Father, while your rendering could be supported by those like the JW!
     
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    Would indeed be amazing to see Van on your translation team trying to render into English his own translation!
     
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    It would never work. He's not qualified in Japanese or Greek. :D
     
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    he seems to post though as if he is qualified to render his judgments upon translations.
     
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    ...but your rendering IS supported by the JW's to support Jesus being created.

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    just shows that we need to go to the scriptures, as still see either term as suitable to use!
     
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    Yet another off topic post. Do you agree monegenes does not ever mean begotten?
     
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    I don't know.

    BTW, you are the one who is off topic.

    The topic is John 3:16, which do you prefer--"one and only son" or "only begotten son"?

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    First addressing my behavior, rather than the topic is your bag.
    Second, I said I prefer "one of a kind" or "unique."
    Third, Do you agree monegenes does not ever mean begotten?
     
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    Would you agree that many much more knowledgeable then you in Biblical Greek agrees with either term OK to use?
     
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    Everyone knows monogenes does not mean begotten, it is a well know mistranslation. Dr. Dan B. Wallace is as knowledgeable as can be on the subject.

    All these posts are simply to perpetuate false beliefs. Did the NIV translators get it wrong. Did the CSB translators get it wrong. Did the ESV translators get it wrong. Did the WEB translators get it wrong. Did the NET translators get it wrong. Did the NLT translators get it wrong. Did the LEB translators get it wrong.

    The KJV translators blundered hundreds of years ago, and it is time to face facts.
     
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    For the record, here is the verse in the Lifeline Japanese NT :)Cool):

    なぜなら、ご自分の唯一お生みになった子を与えられたほどに、神はこうしてこの世を愛されました。それは、すべて子を信じる人が、滅びることなく永遠の命を持つためなのです。
     
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    "For God has loved the world so much that he gave him his only born child. That is because all who believe in the child have eternal life without dying."

    Did it come back correct?
     
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    Not bad. Google translate? Some nuances are missing, in particular the honorifics that Japanese demands.

    An interesting note here is that the Japanese word for "unique" (yuiitsu) also means "only." We used that word, so we covered all the bases between "unique" (which some have demanded here) and "only begotten."
     
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    Please give us a link to where Dr. Wallace discusses this subject.
     
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    I already did, see post # 59

    Here is another blurb copied off the internet:

     
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    Thank you.
     
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    You did not give a link there, but only the NET footnote. But at least that tells me where to look. Thanks.

    P. S. I don't think Wallace actually did all of the footnotes, so it may be that you were not quoting Wallace. The NET was crowd-sourced to a degree, with 25 scholars providing the actual translation. I can't find anywhere on their website informing us who did the footnotes, but there were 60,000, and Wallace clearly did not do them all. I would suggest he did the ones on textual criticism, one of his fortes.
     
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