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You really need to learn what context is. Another cherry-picked verse out of context.

Of course it makes a difference.

What mature person debates with "hehehehehe"?

So there were not individuals chosen out of Israel in chapter 11? Good luck arguing that point.

 

Really?
Jacob, the individual, wasn't chosen? Only a future nation was chosen?
I would argue that the entire story of Jacob in Genesis is about a wicked child whom God graciously chose, despite his wickedness.
Certainly a nation comes from Jacobs lineage and specifically, a promised Redeemer comes from Jacob's lineage, which establishes an eternal Kingdom. But, Jacob is most certainly chosen as an individual as well.
Why are you so bent on trying to run around this truth? Is it because you refuse to give up the theology you have created?

 

He, doesn't know what he is talking about, as usual.

 

You desire to have two "nations" being born, as though two literal nations came out of Rebecca's womb. Are you incapable of recognizing the foretelling of God in the individual children who, at birth, were not nations, but were individual humans?
Notice, after the birth, scripture says "When the boys grew up..." It doesn't say "When the nation's grew up..."
Notice as well, in your quote, it says "two people's from within you shall be divided." Those two people are the person's of Esau and Jacob.
No matter how you slice it, Jacob is chosen and Esau is rejected.
I can see you will die holding onto your image. I will let you go.

 

Yes

 

Trust me, I am not ignorant of the Scriptures. However, you show you can't even engage in basic Bible study much less advanced theology.

 

"It is also likely that in the end Esau was saved."

Luther's Works • Lectures on Genesis

Happy Day-After-Reformation-Day!

 

What does this have to do with anything?

 

Why was Jacob the chosen one and therefore, a nation, through Jacob?

Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;

Who was the end result of all that begetting?

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. ----------------------------

 

All elect are heirs of the promise. This has been true from Adam and Eve and onward. God has always saved by graciously choosing his sheep.

 

I have two degrees that would indicate otherwise.

 

I wonder how many degrees Peter had?

 

He had the ultimate degree from the ultimate professor.

 

As does any adopted child of the King.

 

No. We did not physically sit under the teaching of Christ Himself. It is not the same thing.

 

david, there is a tendency today to imagine a degree from an accredited institution makes one a deeper theologian. This isn't true. It makes that person better read in theology books and just well read enough to think he is smart. But, the best theologians I have met are those who have allowed God's word to sink deep when the storm and waves crash in.
I'll take an illiterate man of faith who has fought the good fight over a highly trained man who has never had to battle in the storm.