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Rep. Ron Paul Signs Personhood Pledge
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by mandym, Jan 11, 2012.
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I applaud Rep. Paul and the others who have signed. The fact that Romney has not signed it does not surprise me in the least. He is only showing his true colors:
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Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>Site Supporter
Thanx for posting this.
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I thought he was for states rights, in other words, each state can decide their own abortion laws. Is this a flip-flop for Ron Paul?
Let's see how hard Ron Paul works at amending the constitution to ban abortions. I'm not going to hold my breath. -
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
This is called waffling. -
Ron Paul is 100 percent pro-life, and his voting record reflects it. -
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I say in defense of unborn life, bring on a new Federal bureaucracy. Or would it be a waste of money to arrest, prosecute, and convict violators of the law?
There is a problem here. Paul's federal law would need to define abortion as violence rather than a medical procedure in order for states to be obligated to enforce it. After all, can states arrest a doctor for peforming a medical procedure?
Paul's statement can be seen here:
http://www.personhoodusa.com/files/Keith Ashley/Ron Paul Personhood Statement_0.pdf
He then constructs a straw man argument saying that federal enforcement would lead to a federal police force or a "Federal Department of Abortion."
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In your scenario, above, EVERY judge in the state in question, would have to be a pro-choice judge. ALL criminal laws would apply to the unborn, equally. Every pro-life judge, every pro-life policeman, every pro-life prosecutor, etc., could then arrest these people, and put them to death, or imprison them. Husbands could sue their wives for killing their children. Abortion providers could be "shot in the act" and it would HAVE to be treated as self defense.
In addition, with a person being defined as such from conception, as soon as any of them allowed an abortion performer to get off, for whatever reason, it would set a precedent that ANYONE could then use (regardless of their age).
They would be FORCED to enforce it, or face absolute anarchy and destruction of their state!
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I'm guessing when you mention the 14th amendment you are referring to the equal protection clause which requires each state to provide protection under the law to all people.
But what's to stop police in New York City, for example, from simply ignoring illegal, underground abortion clinics? Much in the same way Prohibition was widely ignored or prostitution is often ignored.
A doctor performs an abortion on woman and claims if it hadn't been done she would have died--that is going to give someone license to kill another person? Don't think so.
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Whats to keep Federal agents from doing the same thing? You can't legislate against such things. They are going to happen regardless what you do. The answer is the good men, that are part of that locality, that will do the right thing.
Thats not ludicrous...that is the way our justice system works!
However, if a doctor performed an abortion because the baby was deformed, or diseased, for instance, it would set a precedent that killing deformed persons, or diseased persons, was legal, IF the judge let them off.
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I've previously said that if he were 15 years younger I could probably support him. I'd have to ignore his ridiculous plan to go back on the gold standard, but that's OK, because there is no way that would ever come to fruition (thankfully.) I believe the U.S. needs to project power and be engaged overseas, but I agree with Paul that we don't need to be policemen or interfere militarily in other country's affairs. I prefer covert operations. :tongue3:
The Paulites really need a new standard bearer. If that person is Rand Paul I could likely support him. -
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
If Paul were the nominee I can already see the TV clips showing Obama playing basketball, playing softball, playing golf, shirtless at the beach, going jogging, etc. The subliminal inferences will not be lost on the American public. -
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This is a theological topic, not a political matter. You all are traducians? You believe the human soul is inherited genetically from the parents?
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