I have answered all your scripture on multiple occasions, showing you that you fail in your interpretation and exalt yourself over Christ Jesus as you promote your self will over God's supreme authority. Yours is a tiresome, Judaizing philosophy that no serious Christian should ever consider valid for even a second. Yet, here you are, promoting yourself over God once again. There is no longer any need to rebuke your false doctrines. Those who have any spiritual discernment dismiss you out of hand. May God he merciful to you.
Romans 5:1
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, May 26, 2022.
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
You seem to think one has to prove your calvinist theology is wrong whereas it is you that has to prove that your theology is correct. -
The readers can note that you have already fallen on your fictional calvin sword. -
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Turning now to the last phrase in our verse, "through our Lord Jesus Christ." Here the Greek word is the preposition "dia" and when used to show instrumentality, could be translated "by the meritorious action of" our Lord Jesus Christ.
So here is an interpretive translation, As a result of God crediting our faith, having been justified on the basis of our credited faith, we have peace with God by the meritorious action of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Thus the verse says absolutely nothing about "forensic justification" in a court of law. And once again the false doctrine is that when God credits a person's faith as righteousness, the Calvinists mistakenly claim that makes they by declaration righteous. Total nonsense as it is the person's faith and not the person that is credited as righteousness. -
Silverhair Well-Known Member
Austin the main difference between you and I is that I do not need to "interpret" or read special meaning into scripture, I just trust what the bible says.
Actually it has been pointed out to you numerous times that your understanding of the text Eph 2:1-9 is in error. You read into the text what you want to find. You keep saying that God gives man faith to believe and use these verses to prove your point but they actually prove just the opposite. We are saved because we believe.
Eph 2:1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
Eph 2:3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
Eph 2:6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Since you seem to doubt what the text says we just have to look back to
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Now I know you are going to say that "the gift of God" is faith but once again Paul shows us what he meant.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The Gift of God is salvation for all those that are in Christ Jesus, those that trust in the Son.
Why do you continue to struggle with the truth of scripture.
Rom 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. -
That is the context of Chapter 5. Paul is clearly speaking of a forensic (legal) justification in God’s final judgement based on Christ’s’ imputed righteousness to believers obtained by faith.
Peace to you -
I have discussed the word that can mean "declared righteous" but that meaning only applies to individuals declaring themselves righteous, but not to God whose method of making a person righteous is explicitly explained in scripture. -
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Does "declared righteous" apply to humans declaring themselves righteous? My view is yes.
What explicit verse says God declares an individual righteous, rather than God justified? Clearly all the support comes from translator choices as those same verses are also rendered justified. Whereas the ones stating God makes a person righteous contain the Greek word meaning made. -
Reformed1689 Well-Known Member
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I, and nearly every person here, reject your philosophy as man-centered and devoid of the glory of God. -
The context of Romans 5 begins in chapter 2 with discussion of God’s judgement which is mentioned at least 8 times through chapter 4. Paul then transitions to imputed righteousness of Christ through faith.
So the justification of chapter 5, in context, is a forensic (legal) justification in God’s court of law.
Hope that is specific enough. I know you disagree, do no need to respond
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
Well since I was saved by the grace of God because of my faith in the risen Son and that the gift of God is eternal life and that is what the bible tells us and it seems that you do not believe that so then I would have to question your salvation.
The ones here that reject salvation by grace through faith are the calvinists and since you are in the minority in Christian thought I would say it is your ideas that are rejected by nearly everyone here. You are determined to live in your blinded state so I will leave you to it. All I can do is point you to the truth I can not make you believe it. -
You will never make me believe your humanism is truth, Silverhair. In fact, most people here find your humanism to be foolishness, and they are right to view your theology that very way. Your godless interpretation is to be avoided at all costs.
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