Andrew C. McCarthy, legal commentator and terrorism expert said about America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani:
"No fight, however, matters as much as the one for our survival. No one will fight that fight better or smarter or more zealously than Rudy Giuliani. That’s why we need him."
On the social issues, McCarthy said this about Rudy, "Some conservatives worry about Giuliani’s positions on certain social issues, especially abortion. But his positions have not signaled conventional liberalism. He has governed as a limited-government conservative — a species Republicans would do well to rediscover. More to the point, he doesn’t pine for the courts to impose that which the public rejects. To the contrary, he vows to appoint justices who will stick to the individual rights we already have rather than invent new ones as they go along. Who will adjudicate rather than legislate. Who will be our umpires, not our rulers. No president can do more than that to promote conservative outcomes. Conservatism is where the public is. We win a fair fight, a democratic fight, and he is committed to giving us that."
So I guess that we can say that unfortunately Rudy is sort of a live-and-let-live-on social issues in that he thinks government should stay out. I disagree but if we lose the war or withdrawal without victory, social issues will no longer matter as the economy collapses and all of our enemies from Iran to North Korea to Venezuela attack.
The link for McCarthy's remarks is:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjA5MzhhYTk5N2E2NzI3MTgwYWU4OTNkMWEyYWNhZWQ=
The official website of Rudy Giuliani for President in 2008 is:
http://www.joinrudy2008.com/
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Rudy for President!
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by church mouse guy, Feb 19, 2007.
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“I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights” - Rudy Giuliani
Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999
Extended all city benefits to same-sex couplesNational Republicans can lump it if they don't like his new domestic-partners bill, Mayor Giuliani said yesterday. "I really haven't thought about what the impact is on Republican politics or national politics or Democratic politics," Giuliani said. The bill he submitted to the City Council would extend the benefits city agencies must grant to gay and lesbian couples. "I'm proud of it," Giuliani said of the bill. "I think it puts New York City ahead of other places in the country."
Source: New York Daily News, reprinted in 3/25/05 NY Observer May 13, 1998 (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Civil_Rights.htm) -
Mouse, you really say some strange things. :laugh:
I think you actually believe that if a Democrat wins the White House in 2008 (which I hope happens) it will be the end of the United States.
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It was also condemned in the New Testament, (and keep in mind that homosexuality was not that frowned upon in Hellenistic culture, thus further heightening the Biblical stance in the NT) so the Levitical red herrings simply won't work.
BTW, intra-species cannibalism is a "natural occurance" as well. Shall we engage in that?
And no, I don't believe in killing or beating up gay people, so save that diatribe. -
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MP, I would agree with basic rights of citizens...but there are those that wish to convey a "protected class" status (i.e., hate crime legislation). I think it's important for everyone to define their terms on this issue...especially in the political arena.
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THere are folks on one extreme...that insist that all our founding fathers were evangelical Christians, and that we were made to be a theocracy. The other extreme are the uber-secularists, that insist there is no Judeo-Christian background to our way of governing and our laws.
Both extremes are wrong.
And following one red herring with another doesn't further your argument. I addressed some logical and Biblical responses to your assertions about homosexuality. Sorry if that offends you. -
it's all good.
Man...a debate w/ a girlfriend AND a BB member...glutton for punishment! :laugh: -
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Rudy will be elected because he can win the fight against international terror. The Democrats do not even discuss specific details of foreign affairs because they have no comprehensive worldview on military matters.
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The issue of treating people who act in homosexual ways with dignity and respect is a no brainer. We should absolutely treat them with dignity and respect. They however, are still living in sin against God. And to love them means to tell them that. -
A key example is abortion. A woman has always had the right to make medicial decisions about her own body. The right to make a decision about someone else's body was invented in 1973. It had never been seen before. -
Really? Rapists are human, murderers are human, pedophiles are human, racists are human, automatic weapons owners are human, and these are the things that make these people happy.
When "human rights" trump the Word of God then we have begun to worship "human rights".
Just because somebody is inclined through lust to do something doesnt make it right. If we are going to recognize homosexuality as rights based on the fact that they are human the we have opened a pandoras box. And they already have the same rights as everyone else. -
This is a perfect example of how far the republican party has rotted from the inside out. The best they can come up with is Gulianni, Romney and McCain. They are no better than Hillary or Obama. A pro abortionist is a pro abortionist. A weak and wishy washy stance against homosexuality is the same on both sides. This is the best we have to choose from? Come on people, lets find someone who has some backbone and elect them President. This time, lets elect someone with common sense and leadership.
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I will support and vote for Gulianni when they start serving ice cream and snow cones in the lake of fire. If the Republican party actually nominates this clown I will pull out of the Republican Party because they will have totally sold out. I say "totally" because in '00 when they went with Bush over Keyes they sold out. However I was willing to go along with them then, but no more. They go Rudy, Martin goes bye.
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Of course when there is a limit to what you take form the Bible that would be cherry picking. When you take it all then you are taking the whole package including behavior like homosexuality as being sin.
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You can deny that all you want however, at the end of the day, it will not change it's truthfulness.
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Well Gulianni is just a little to wierd for my tatse.
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Baloney, what a bunch of nonsense.
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