Brother Bob you always have a way of proving my point when you quote Scripture. Thanks brother!
By the way Steaver it was a simple question that I asked. There is no need to start another thread. Just answer the question. Here it is again:
What is the purpose of living a holy, sanctified life if I can have all that this world has to offer and party with the devil and still get to rule and reign with Christ.
By the way I finally put 1 and 1 together and figured out why you have so much hosility toward the gospel of the kingdom. It just finally clicked.
Salvation of the Soul (Page One)
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by steaver, Jan 29, 2007.
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Precept #6;
The soul in connection with pronouns:
[Leviticus 5:1]- “And if a SOUL sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether HE hath seen or known of it; if HE do not utter it, then HE shall bear HIS iniquity”.
[Leviticus 5:2]- “Or if a SOUL touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcass of an unclean beast, or a carcass of unclean cattle, or the carcass of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from HIM; HE also shall be unclean, and guilty.”
[Leviticus 5:3]- “Or if HE touch….”
Do you get the implication here?
The Word of God makes absolutely no distinction between SOUL and the pronoun HE or HIM. Verse 2 God says; “if a SOUL touch”. Verse 3 God says; “if HE touch”.
This is consistent throughout Scripture. There would be no justification, in studying Scripture, for making any separation between pronouns such as he, ye, we, us, himself, thou, you, believer, sinner, etc, etc, etc, and the “living SOUL” that God created.
Waiting on your refute!
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The entire man was mentioned many times in OT as the soul. It also was mentioned as the soul itself too.
The Lord is my sheppard, I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures.
He leadeth me by the still waters.
He restoreth my soul.
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I'm just wondering what you tell someone when they say why in the world should I deny myself the pleasures of this life, if I can do whatever I want to and still get the benefits as all other of those foolish Christians that live right.
I mean in your system it would be idiotic to live right, because you have taken away all of the consequences. Nothing matters so live and let live eh?
Again it's just a simple question. Why would I want to live right when I can live like the devil and still rule and reign with Christ? -
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Quote:
Precept #6;
The soul in connection with pronouns:
[Leviticus 5:1]- “And if a SOUL sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether HE hath seen or known of it; if HE do not utter it, then HE shall bear HIS iniquity”.
[Leviticus 5:2]- “Or if a SOUL touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcass of an unclean beast, or a carcass of unclean cattle, or the carcass of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from HIM; HE also shall be unclean, and guilty.”
[Leviticus 5:3]- “Or if HE touch….”
Do you get the implication here?
The Word of God makes absolutely no distinction between SOUL and the pronoun HE or HIM. Verse 2 God says; “if a SOUL touch”. Verse 3 God says; “if HE touch”.
This is consistent throughout Scripture. There would be no justification, in studying Scripture, for making any separation between pronouns such as he, ye, we, us, himself, thou, you, believer, sinner, etc, etc, etc, and the “living SOUL” that God created.
Waiting on your refute!
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As JIM pointed out earlier - the other option is "NO faith at all"
For a reference to that - and my resonse to it --
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=950767&postcount=70
In Christ,
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Ok, Jump has had plenty of oportunity to refute what God's Word shows us in Leviticus that anytime a person is spoken of in scripture God is speaking of the living soul that He created.
"You" equals a "Soul".
With this unrefutable foundation laid, we can now study and rightly divide all of scripture.
Let's take the verse that has been the main focus for much of this debate, Jam 1:21¶Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Who is James speaking to? Jam 1:18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
James is speaking to those who have been born of God. "Us" and "we" are pronouns for persons and God's Word shows us(precept #6 OP) that the "he" or "she" means a "living soul".
Therefore James is speaking to saved souls.
This cancels out any interpretation that James is instructing the believers(souls) that the soul is not yet saved.
It is not the goal of this study to explain the message in every verse of scripture, although I have given my explanation in previous post for James 1:21, but rather it shows that the doctrine of "the soul is not saved at rebirth" is clearly false and not an option for interpreting the verse.
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Steaver you just can't bring yourself to answer the question huh. Oh well. You'll have to give an account one day and it won't be to me!
You show more of your fallacy in your latest post. Now you are trying to say that a living soul is the same thing as a saved soul. There is nowhere in Scripture that makes that equation.
Every person born is a living soul. So now are you a universalist? You would have to be to make the equation of living soul=saved soul. -
(Jump)...Every person born is a living soul. So now are you a universalist? You would have to be to make the equation of living soul=saved soul.Click to expand...
(steaver)....James is speaking to those who have been born of God.Click to expand...
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Reread it....Click to expand...
All persons are souls. Not all persons are born of God.Click to expand...
Again when you compare Scriptures that talk about apples to Scriptures that talk about oranges you are going to make mistakes.
And what amazes me, although it doesn't surprise me, is you want to just skip over the fact that you can't address James 1:21 and you want to move on as if people will continue to listen to what you have to say. And unfortunately I have to say that there will be some that will listen to what you have to say despite the fact that Scripture proves you wrong. But they will do so to their own peril sad to say. -
(Jump)....Living souls does not equate to saved souls. There is no connection in Scripture that says that.Click to expand...
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Correct. Nor did I ever say they did.Click to expand...
You try to make all these different connections and you keep backing yourself into a corner you can't dig out of.
You said:
"You" equals a "Soul".Click to expand...
Who is James speaking to? Jam 1:18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. James is speaking to those who have been born of God. "Us" and "we" are pronouns for persons and God's Word shows us(precept #6 OP) that the "he" or "she" means a "living soul".Click to expand... -
](Jump)....So all you have done is shown that James is speaking to living souls.Click to expand...
Which souls is James speaking to? Lost or saved? Jam 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
You have already agreed that James is speaking to the saved persons, persons are living souls, therefore James is speaking to saved souls....
(Jump)....James told these SAVED individuals to receive the engrafted word, because this engrafted word if received (acted upon) is able to save their souls.Click to expand...
Living souls DO NOT equal saved souls. I don't know where you get that from my post.
Living souls DO equal ALL people.
Some living souls are lost. Some living souls are saved.
As has been established, we both agree that James is speaking to saved individuals. You should now understand from Leviticus that Individuals are living souls(not all saved, but all living souls).
So anytime you speak of a person, whether lost or saved, you should now understand that you are speaking of a living soul.
I'm not sure what is confusing you from my post. All people are living souls. This in no way states that all people(living souls) are saved. The qualifier for a saved living soul is born again by God, which is who James is speaking to. All others are lost living souls, or lost people.
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(Jump)....Please show me one verse of Scripture that says being saved by grace through faith saves your soul.Click to expand...
Anytime you see a person spoken of you are seeing a living soul spoken of. Some will be saved souls and some will be lost souls.
In Eph 2:8 you see the qualifier..."ye" (ye would be a living soul) are "saved through faith".
You must understand what a person is, which is a living soul. This is proven in God's Word (Leviticus for one)
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You have already agreed that James is speaking to the saved persons, persons are living souls, therefore James is speaking to saved souls....Click to expand...
Some living souls are lost. Some living souls are saved.Click to expand...
You should now understand from Leviticus that Individuals are living souls(not all saved, but all living souls).Click to expand...
The qualifier for a saved living soul is born again by GodClick to expand... -
For by grace are ye(living soul) saved through faith; and that not of yourselves(living soul): it is the gift of God: (Eph 2:8)
Anytime you see a person spoken of you are seeing a living soul spoken of. Some will be saved souls and some will be lost souls.
In Eph 2:8 you see the qualifier..."ye" (ye would be a living soul) are "saved through faith".
You must understand what a person is, which is a living soul. This is proven in God's Word (Leviticus for one)Click to expand...
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