No. My spiritual heritage never fell into apostasy so it never needed reformation. As I stated earlier, I am an historic Particular Baptist.
Saying what you believe is clearer than saying Calvinist
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Mexdeaf, Jan 21, 2011.
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But personally, I think asking God "why" He does something is a wrong path to take though I have often wondered that myself in some cases.
e.g. Why did God create Lucifer knowing full well what would happen?
I know the stock answer - for His glory - I just can't see the logic in
light of all the sin and death, pain, suffering, disease, the crucifixion, etc, etc...
Could He not have created the final result of the eternal state and by-pass the evil and misery part?
But it's not required of me to figure it out, so my answer is I don't know why God does some things which might seem illogical to me.
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
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And really, I think that is what this life is all about, God is giving every man the choice whether to love him or not. He does not force himself upon anyone. But he has already shown his great love toward us in that he gave his only Son to die for our sins. That's a pretty good reason to love him. -
1) Dense,
2) Challenged in your ability to read and comprehend
3) A liar
Which is it?
Anyone who wishes can discover that hyper-Calvinism is not historical nor biblical Calvinism any more than Pelagianism is not historical nor biblical Arminianism.
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For example Pinoybaptist says he is a Calvinist, but his views are very different from others here who say they are Calvinist.
So, there is no way to exactly pin down what Calvinism is, there are many various views among those who call themselves Calvinists. If you make a statement that truly represents one person's view of Calvinism, another Calvinist will say you misrepresent the doctrine.
This is not difficult to understand, and you know it is true. -
That's a bit harsh. I don't really see the need for that. God is good it's a great day, let's love each other. -
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That's John 3:16.
I guess it comes down to the mechanics (for lack of a better word) of the ability to choose/love.
I look at it this way in this comparison:
I read that it takes 40,000 lbs of thrust to turn a jet liner.
Without the power of the aircraft steering system no human pilot could turn the aircraft around.
Without the power of the Holy Spirit no human being could come to Christ.
I do believe that the power provided by His death, burial and resurrection is made available to every human being through the Spirit should he/she want it. (scripture to follow).
John 1
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Here in this passage the responsibity of man and the sovereignty of God come together (clash seems a better word).
If we receive Him (implying choice) then we have this power given to us.
But then we are immediately told that it was by the will of God and not our own will.
John 3
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Here again there is another view of our responsibility as related to His sovereignty.
Humanity is viewed as loving darkness and are condemned for and held responsible for it.
God did not make them that way but provides the remedy.
Those who do come to the light are declared as having been wrought (caused) by God.
The light of the gospel is the present tense determining factor as to who is who.
IMO, all these posts are an attempt to explain the unexplainable, after all He is God and we are not.
In the end, we all put our stamp of approval on what we are.
Whether we love darkness or light.
And those who love the light whether C or A, we can all say:
Corinthians 9:15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.
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Hank, there is no clash. The gospel was God's idea, it was of his will. Man, if left to himself will always seek to save himself through his own merit. Man believes he can be good enough to earn his own salvation. Man would never conceive of the gospel if he lived a million years. So, the gospel is 100% of God alone.
It is God's word and especially the gospel that revealed to all of us that we are sinners and incapable of saving ourselves. It is the scriptures that showed us Jesus his son died for our sins, and told us if we believe on him we shall be saved.
I chose to believe on Jesus, but I could never have done that if God's word had not convicted me of my sin and showed me I could trust Jesus and be saved. Paul asked, "and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?" (Rom 10:14)
So, God gets all the credit.
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Nice quote....:thumbsup: read more calvin. -
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