"God preordained...a part of the human race, without any merit of their own, to eternal salvation, and another part, in just punishment of their sin, to eternal damnation. " John Calvin
Saying what you believe is clearer than saying Calvinist
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Mexdeaf, Jan 21, 2011.
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Baptist4life Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I would like for a Calvinist here to explain to me, without any negative comments from anyone else, what the Calvinistic view of predestination is. I don't want to start a debate over that, just an explanation.
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Baptist4life Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I'd like to know how Calvinists get around this verse:
2 Peter 3:9 (King James Version)
9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. -
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But if Irresistible Grace is true then that couldn't be possible correct?
I do feel like us non-cals don't have to bend scripture or "say what it means" to get our point across. We just read the verse and take it as literal. -
The key word is "us-ward." We (us) are the objects of his long-suffering. We are the objects of his promise. God is not willing that any of US should perish, but that all of US should come to repentance.
Peter is writing to believers.
Oops, I just noticed that Amy had answered the question.
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You're suggesting that we have to put a Calvinist "spin" on 2 Peter 3:9
I suggest that one who reads that verse and takes it literally will come to the same conclusion I do. No interpretation or exegesis is required. -
Here's a study that my step-grandfather wrote about Calvinism.
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Baptist4life Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I know a Calvinist who evangelizes and witnesses. I have to ask him........why? God has already picked His people out according to Calvinism, so why witness? It's mind boggling. NO, I DO NOT believe in Calvinism, I repeat...........It's un-Biblical. I guess I'm floored that there are Baptists who do believe in it. Never knew any before.
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2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Here are a group of folk who were "bought" by the Lord yet suffered destruction.
Same inspired author, same book, same root word apoluo.
These (though "bought" by the Lord) he speaks of as having frustrated the will of our Sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient, omipresent Father in heaven as did the false prophets of old.
The point is that they were "bought" yet somehow they are scheduled to undergo destuction (perish).
Remember, I'm assuming the role of the _____'s (fill in the blank) Advocate.
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Calvinism = Salvation is of the LORD.
Arminianism = Salvation is started by the LORD but completed by me.
So, the question, which does not question anyone's salvation, is valid. -
The "why" of that is a mystery known only to God. His ways are higher than our ways. He shows mercy on whom He will show mercy.
I don't know why, but I do know it is not due to any merit on my part. -
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It JUST has to be something evil... :BangHead: -
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TCassidy, you said to me:
I do not have a reading comprehension problem. Maybe you have a punctuation problem? -
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Even if posed as a question, it is very offensive. -
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