Should pastors be required to know original Biblical languages?

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  1. Reynolds Well-Known Member
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    Stereotype is an application of inductive logic, but a faulty application of it. " an oversimplified opinion, prejudiced attitude, or uncritical judgment." By definition, it contains an inherent fault, thus the logic , though inductive, is faulty.
    UGA does suck, but thats its own discussion.
    I never payed them any money. I was on accademic scholarship.
     
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    *Sigh*
    You are over-thinking this:
    What was this statement of yours if not a "Stereo-type".
    "Rural churches are wonderful places filled with wonderful people".

    That, sir, is a "stereo-type", a generalization.
    There's truth to it....
    I like said "rural churches" myself, there's a comfort to them. But a positive stereo-type is no less a stereotype than a negative one.

    So, yes, I stereotype....so do you....everyone does.
    Of course I don't think that all generalizations apply 100% of the time. No one does.
    But, I understand what stereotype is enough not to say that "I learned at University that they are ignorant".

    Because I learned at University that they are inductive logic.
    I agree with that.
     
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    Did I suggest that pastors are not evangelists or shepherds of the flock?
    Please quote me on that or detract this slander.
    When did I suggest this?
     
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    I am sorry if I got your position wrong. I retract my statement, no ill will or slander intended, elder. Your position confused me.
     
  5. Reynolds Well-Known Member
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    Actually, it was a bait line to send you off on another tantrum.
    They are wonderful places filled with wonderful people. They are also horrible places filled with horrible people. They are also everything in between.
     
  6. HeirofSalvation Well-Known Member
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    I certainly agree that pastors should do the work of an evangelist...Paul tells timothy that...exactly that....in those exact words (translated into English of course).
    And the word usually translated as "pastor" is literally the word "shepherd". So, obviously, they should shepherd the flock.
    I think you have a very solid grasp on the question at hand...
    Should Pastors have knowledge of the Original languages.
    Your responses have been spot-on I think.
    They are valuable tools to have in the tool-kit.
     
  7. Reynolds Well-Known Member
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    Everything you have posted suggests you believe that.
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    LOL....
    An amazingly honest statement..
    Of course, I love the American Rural church....
    Who doesn't. Cracker Barrel makes it's living selling the music of the American rural church, and I am not immune to spending my hard earned bucks on some classic Americana like steel guitar and banjo playing some "Church in the Wildwood".

    It's folk religion....

    It's pap.
    But, it's America, and I love her deeply.
    That's my heart Reynolds.
    I also think having some knowledge of the original languages is helpful.
     
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    I think having "some" knowledge can be helpful. I think "some" knowledge is very different than "knowing". I also think 99.9% of the time I am better served by the resources I have that were written by true experts, than by my "some knowledge."
     
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    blech.....
    Skoal is the way to go for dip...
    Copenhagen is like chewing dirt....and it has no flavor.
    This is a matter worth splitting a church over.
     
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    Copenhagen definitely had a taste. Not really a good taste, but a taste. Skoal regular cut and copenhagen both had about the same consistency, imo. I did at times dip some skoal long cut cherry.
     
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    Maybe...depends on how it's used.
    But take, for instance, how some Theologians take the particular grammatical construction of a word and then try to then retranslate your Bible for you.
    That's what torques me....I don't want to know the Original languages in order to retranslate my beloved KJV for instance.
    But, it can be helpful. I often want to know it if only to be able to call B.S. half the time.
     
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    That's what I don't get...
    Skoal tasted like tobacco.
    I liked that it tasted like that. I never could get into "wintergreens" or cherry or anything like that.
    Copenhagen users (where I'm from) always used the pure fine cut stuff which I couldn't distinguish between dip and fish-bait...the dirt their earthworms came from. It looked and tasted the same....and was so small, you couldn't help but swallow too much of it.
    Skoal was already sufficiently long cut that you wouldn't automatically swallow it, and it tasted like....tobacco.

    Of course, I never chewed that much.
     
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    It torques me up as well when they re translate. My reference back to Greek is usually limited to my seeing if the tense of the English verb sufficiently renders the orig intent. 99.9 % ofthe time, I go to software, not lexicon, to make that determination
     
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    As usual, you have not answered the questions I posed although you quoted the entirety of my post.

    1) Does your pastor use the NIV as his primary pulpit Bible?
    2) What translation is your church's pew Bible?
     
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    Well said!

    [Apologies to Jerome.]
     
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    I would say no. But it would be encouraged if the pastor was well educated in the original language.
     
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    The 'institutions' I was referencing being the early Harvard and Yale.
     
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    yes, but he does point out areas where he thinks they got it wrong, and our pew bibles are the good ole 1984 Niv!