From another thread I did not want to take off topic.
Should there be a religious test for immigrants?
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by NaasPreacher (C4K), Jan 5, 2007.
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C4K said:From another thread I did not want to take off topic.
Having a hard time reading this - but are you saying that there should be a religious immigration test?
If so, who would determine who were "Christians"?Click to expand...Click to expand... -
The very idea is horrifying.
Not all Muslims are out to destroy America.
America is not a theocracy.
There is more than one religion in America. -
Not all Muslims are out to destroy America.Click to expand...
Ever wonder what motivates muslims to immigrate to America from muslim countries? -
C4K said:From another thread I did not want to take off topic.
Having a hard time reading this - but are you saying that there should be a religious immigration test?
If so, who would determine who were "Christians"?Click to expand...
If it is our desire to have this nation given up to the world, one of the best ways to do it, is to open our borders to the world.Click to expand... -
I do not think a religious test should be required. But they should have to assimilate to some degree.
speak english
enter legally
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2 Timothy2:1-4 said:I do not think a religious test should be required. But they should have to assimilate to some degree.
speak english
enter legally
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Assimilation - now that is the key. However, muslims do not generally assimilate: Consider these news stories:
Muslims seek prayer room at Minneapolis Airport:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/12/01/D8LOC15O0.html
The mosque in little Katy, Texas population 13,000
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16095716/
Dell gives in for muslim evening prayers:
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5623543.html
Head-to-toe burqa style hospital gowns in England & US (Maine - its on the internet)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/05/AR2006090500546.html
Hamtramck, Michigan population 23,000 - call to prayer from mosque five x per day (which was put to a vote in this town which has a high number of islamic immigrants and won)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/20/national/main612805.shtml
Lewiston, Maine & FGM with hyperlinks about the whole clash:
http://www.vdare.com/walker/lewiston.htm
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Yes, there should be a religious test of: "Would you allow your religion to order you to betray the USA?"
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C4K said:From another thread I did not want to take off topic.
Having a hard time reading this - but are you saying that there should be a religious immigration test?
If so, who would determine who were "Christians"?Click to expand...Click to expand... -
Maybe we should outlaw islam in the west until they permit freedom of religion (including Christianity) without persecution in islamic countries...
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That's one idea!
LadyEagle said:Maybe we should outlaw islam in the west until they permit freedom of religion (including Christianity) without persecution in islamic countries...Click to expand... -
LadyEagle said:Maybe we should outlaw islam in the west until they permit freedom of religion (including Christianity) without persecution in islamic countries...Click to expand...
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2 Timothy2:1-4 said:I do not think a religious test should be required. But they should have to assimilate to some degree.
speak english
enter legally
and swear loyaltyClick to expand...
By this I mean if after several years you are still on government assistance then you should be sent back to live on your country of origin. If you want to go after the american dream and contribute somehow to the society then that is great. -
A muslim may swear loyalty to the "host" country (such as the US), but in the quran, it is permissible to lie to infidels. So you see, swearing loyalty to a country would be words only and that criteria of swearing loyalty will not work. No one comes before allah or another muslim when push comes to shove.
Even our own military has had problems with muslim loyalty from muslims serving in our armed forces.
http://www.hvk.org/articles/1103/19.html -
Is that ^ a "link"?
tragic_pizza said:The very idea is horrifying.Click to expand...
tragic_pizza said:Not all Muslims are out to destroy America.Click to expand...
Oh, okay. It's fine then, only a few of them want to kill us. Sure hope the day doesn't come when every Muslim is out to destroy America!
tragic_pizza said:America is not a theocracy.Click to expand...
It isn't? You do Know Sharia law kind fits the definition of a theocracy - i.e., a theocracy doesn't neccessarily have to be Christian in nature?
tragic_pizza said:There is more than one religion in America.Click to expand...
Not if we keep this up, Captain Obvious! -
tragic_pizza said:Not all Muslims are out to destroy America.Click to expand...One percent of 1.2 billion is 12 million Muslim fanatics who believe America is the Great Satan, fount of all evil, to be attacked and demolished. Whether al-Qaeda is centralized as it was before 9/11 or decentralized, as it appears to be after Bali and Mombassa, is immaterial. Islam is the world’s fastest growing religion. From Sweden (660,000 Muslims out of 5.8 million people) to Switzerland (also 10 percent), Senegal and Somalia in Africa, Sumatra and Singapore in Asia, and South America (especially Brazil and Venezuela), there are Wahhabi and Deobandi mosques. And that’s just the countries beginning with the letter S.
Islamist terrorist groups have plenty of places to hide—from the tri-border area of Brazil, Bolivia, and Paraguay where camps have been reported, to Colombia (where FARC terrorists have been hiding for 38 years), to Somalia in Africa, to Sumatra in Indonesia, Mindanao in the Philippines, even remote areas of the United States where radical Muslims were located, ostensibly engaged in peaceful pursuits.
Muslims are a majority in 63 countries. Of the 30 conflicts now under way in the world, 28 concern Muslim governments or communities. Amir Taheri, an Iranian author and journalist, says two-thirds of the world’s political prisoners are held in Muslim countries, which also carry out 80 percent of all executions each year.
Most imams in the thousands of mosques in European countries can preach anti-U.S. and anti-Saudi-royal-family sermons with impunity. They carefully refrain from attacking the host country because intelligence services are probably listening. In Washington, D.C.’s principal Saudi-administered mosque, the imam gives politics a wide berth. Many diplomats friendly to the United States usually attend Friday prayers. Vehement anti-U.S. tirades, however, are average Friday fare throughout the Muslim world. Imams do pretty much their own thing. Islam has no pope, no pictures of the Prophet, and no simulated portraits of Allah, who is genderless. Hate-mongers among the radical clergy use western freedoms in order to denounce them.
Many of the imams in America’s 2,000-plus principal mosques (for a population of five million Muslims) are recently naturalized U.S. citizens who were sent over as missionaries from both Iran and Saudi Arabia.
We are spreading the good word of our faith in America,” said the imam at the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights, Michigan, who came over from Iran ten years ago, “just as you send Christian missionaries to sub-Sahara Africa.” He also chided his interlocutor for dismissing his contention that 9/11 was a combined operation by the CIA and Mossad.
Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh who is now serving a life sentence in the United States for his part in the World Trade Center truck bombing in 1993, is revered by Muslim radicals the world over.Click to expand... -
2 Timothy2:1-4 said:I do not think a religious test should be required. But they should have to assimilate to some degree.
speak english
enter legally
and swear loyaltyClick to expand... -
^ Okay!
LadyEagle said:A muslim may swear loyalty to the "host" country (such as the US), but in the quran, it is permissible to lie to infidels. So you see, swearing loyalty to a country would be words only and that criteria of swearing loyalty will not work. No one comes before allah or another muslim when push comes to shove.
Even our own military has had problems with muslim loyalty from muslims serving in our armed forces.
http://www.hvk.org/articles/1103/19.htmlClick to expand...
Islam Online, and you probably have the link and actually read what's there, has advice on to moblize Muslims in America:
Wa Alaikum Salaam,
Wa Eyyak. Muslims are becoming more sophisticated and more professional in their dealings with non-Muslims. The keys are to increase our unity, to learn how to use the system within Islamic bounds and to hold fast to our values of tawheed and Islamic principles. If we do this, we'll continue down the path of increasing our prescence in America and our significance to the non-Muslim community. If you look at where we were 10 years ago, we were much less organized and much less unified. With the help of Allah, 10 years from now, we'll look back at where we are today and see a dramatic improvement.Click to expand...
That's a quote from Ismail Royer, a convicted terrorist. -
I disagree - there are multiple (& credible) reports that there is an islamic conspiracy to immigrate into western countries and take them over.
The requirement for immigration is NOT in the Constitution. The first priority of immigation is the security of the USA.
We are not required to offer (much less give) the freedoms afforded by the Constitution to any foreigner.
In light of the fact that it is a published islamic plan to use immigration to take over the USA, we should not be allowing muslims in without SBI's being run & loyalty being ensured.
2 Timothy2:1-4 said:I do not think a religious test should be required. But they should have to assimilate to some degree.
speak english
enter legally
and swear loyaltyClick to expand...