Webdog,
Not sure I can make the connection there. "very good" to me could imply sentient, moral, responsible etc.
Sin Nature?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Amy.G, Feb 2, 2011.
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Young's Literal Translation comes very close to the literal of this passage:
YLT Genesis 2:17 and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.'
Hebrew qal infinitive for "death" followed by the imperfect tense of "death". moth tamuth `tWmT' tAm
Or "dying (to die) you shall die". The physical aspect of death a progressive process.
While this interpretive view is debatable it is IMO the most probable.
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Thanks gentlemen, I will certainly think on this further. I have always viewed this death as "spiritual" rather than physical. As for the "groaning of creation", I have thought of it as being under "mismanagement" (stewardship) of man. I will certainly think further.....
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But Mary provided the body. The Bible says in one place: "conceived by Mary," and in another place, "conceived by the Holy Spirit." In Genesis 3:15 it speaks of the seed of the woman. In Gal.4:4 Paul says that Christ was "made of a woman." The body came from the woman, Mary. If it didn't then Christ was not fully man. To be fully man the body had to come from "mankind" or the woman, and to be divine or fully God, He was conceived by the Holy Ghost. Both had to be present. -
I believe Aaron does as well but I don't want to speak for him.
The word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
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This is why I have trouble with the term "sin nature". If we inherit sin through our flesh as the doctrine of original sin teaches, then Jesus would have been born with a sin nature which I cannot accept. No, I believe he was born flesh (the scriptural term) with the same natural lusts and desires we have, but he never obeyed these lusts when they would cause him to sin. Else where is the victory over sin? It was because he overcame sin and did not fall to these lusts and desires that he overcame.
So, I do not like the term sin nature, that is never said in scripture. No, it says we are flesh, and that Jesus came in the flesh too. -
Our flesh by nature is sinful.
We inherit a sinful nature from Adam. It is called the Adamic nature.
This is why Christ was born of a virgin, to escape that Adamic nature, that sinful nature. That does not negate that he was able to be tempted like as we are. He did suffer; he was hungry, tired, thirsty, etc. But he did not have a sinful nature, and neither did Adam. He was the second Adam. And only Christ being the perfect sinless man and fully God at the same time could die for our sins. -
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DHK, again we will have to agree to disagree. I believe Heb 2:14-18 makes it abundantly clear that he shared our nature.
Heb 2:14-18 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, HE ALSO HIMSELF LIKEWISE TOOK PART OF THE SAME; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil: And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him THE NATURE of angels; BUT HE TOOK ON HIM THE SEED OF ABRAHAM. Wherefore IN ALL THINGS it behoved him TO BE MADE LIKE UNTO HIS BRETHREN, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. FOR IN THAT HE HIMSELF HATH SUFFERED BEING TEMPTED, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Jesus did not take on the NATURE of angels, but the seed of Abraham. It also says IN ALL THINGS it behoved him to BE MADE LIKE UNTO HIS BRETHREN.
Jesus had the same nature as you and I, if we are born with a sin nature, then so was he.
However, if he was born flesh with lusts and desires, but never obeyed them when it would cause him to sin, then he was not a sinner. The difference is the rest of us obey our lusts and desires and sin. -
That is a simile, Winman. "like unto his brothers." It does not mean exactly like his brothers. It also says in 1John 3:1,2 that we shall be like him for we shall see him as he is. We shall be like him (a simile). That does not mean we shall be gods. We will not be divine, or acquire deity. In some way we shall be like Christ. In some way Christ became like us. He did not inherit a sin nature. If he did he would not have been able to die for our sins. That would have been impossible.
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Was Christ under the curse?
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Here is an article about federal headship:
http://carm.org/federal-headship
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