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Speaking in Tongues Continued
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by DHK, Dec 12, 2005.
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DHK,
You said, 'Whether in the Old Testament, New Testament, or even in the Book of Revelation, no angel ever spoke in anything other than a language known to humans. Angels had the ability to speak the language to any person that God sent them to: whether it was to Manoah, Daniel, Lot, Jacob, Elizabeth, Zechariah, etc. They could speak perfectly, flawlessly, without any grammatical mistake, and very eloquently in whatever language God sent them to deliver his message. Their is no indication that they spoke anything else but a human language. If you can get something other than that out of Scripture I would like to see it.
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If you used the Bible definition of 'tongue':
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an vnknowen tongue,
speaketh not vnto men, but vnto God:
for no man vnderstandeth him:
howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Then you could plainly see that Paul did speak the
tongues of angels:
1Co 14:18 (KLJV1611 Edition):
I thanke my God, I speake with tongues
more then you all.
But, if you intend to stick with the
definition of 'estatic language' that
is made by men - then you must continue to
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DHK,
If I am not mistaken Dr. John Mac Arthur is a Five Point Calvinist. He has more error in his theology than Copeland who believes in salvation by faith, sanctification, the Rapture and the 'gifts of the Spirit, plus living a deeper life in the realm of the Spirit. I have learned from him but do not accept everything he says.
To some Dr. Mac Arthur types---their understanding of the Spirit of God is merely doctrine that might in many cases be correct, but they miss and do not emphasize living like Jesus and experiencing the fulness of joy offered by God the Holy Spirit.
Every teacher of the Word has some cintilla of error and we have to watch for it to surface and then thank the Lord for the things that they teach that are true. -
Nevermind then what MacArthur said. Pay attention to the words of Benny Hinn that MacArthur quoted word for word off of TBN. You apparently have a bias for MacArthur. So be it then. But that doesn't change what Benny Hinn said.
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Is the word unknown italicized in the KJV?
Is the word unkhown really in the KJV? Ed.
Be honest about this matter.
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Words of DHK:You are right. if you don't do it with love, it is meaningless.
DHK
Then perhaps we should try to show Christian Love to each other on this board. That would be a good place to start, don't you think?
Peace,
Tam -
Amen, Sister tamborine lady - you are RIGHT ON!
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Hope of Glory,
In my KJV ---an A.J. Holman Company Bible, the word commit is not in italics. This is why people think that a Christian cannot sin or he is not a Christian. Thanks to to the translators of the KJV.
Study the Greek language, then no one can confuse you. -
Hope of Glory,
That is why John who got saved yesterday should not be trying to preach and teach others, when he is not qualified. This is why denominations set qualification to make it difficult for a person to become a man or woman of God who can instruct other people. Some people are not even qualified emotionally/psychologically to be ministering in a church.
They can witness to what Jesus has done for them and the life He has taken them out of, but not to actively be preaching.
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If Mac Arthur is a five point Calvinist he is teaching more error than what you allegedly say Pastor Hinn is doing. In your words, DHK, this writer writes heretical things, things that do not agree with the N.T. teaching.
Personally, I do not believe 98% of what some non-Pentecostal denominational official says about the man Rev. Hinn. A lot of hate mongering. Push the other minister down so you look as though you are better than him. Jealous, etc.
Everything I have ever heard him preach on T.V. was not off the scope, as some of you guys suggest about him.
Those who protest a lot about Hinn will never have passing through their church doors, as many as he preaches to in one crusade.
The Holy Spirit draws the people and they appreciate the blessing that he gives to the people who receive the blessing of the Lord. As I said the Spirit of God touches the people and often Hinn never even touches their body. God the Spirit is imminent/close to people who desire Him to be close to them. -
Sorry, I quoted the wrong thing. I was referring to "unknown".
However, to answer part of your statement. Am I to infer that you think I'm a KJVO?
To answer the other part, "commit" is certainly an incorrect translation there. The word is a present, active, participle, just as it is in verse 4, and just as sinning is in verse 8.
Also, "he cannot sin" is a wrong translation. The present, active, infinitive means "and he cannot go on sinning". I think the idea here is the same as in Romans 6:1 and is contrasted with Romans 6:15.
Although I quoted a part that I did not intend, I guess the part I quoted needed an answer as well. -
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Hinn does not believe in the trinity. Heresy.
Hinn does not believe in the deity of Christ, rather that Christ shed that deity--Heresy.
Hinn believes that Christ went down to Hell for three days to negotiate with the devil for payment for our sins. It was really the devil that paid for our sins and not Christ. Heresy.
Hinn believes that all believers possess divinity. Heresy.
A heretic after the first and second admonition reject. This man is not a Christian. He is a heretic whose teaching needs to be spewed out and rejected. He serves neither the God of the Bible nor the Christ of the Bible. Neither believes the atonement of Christ provided by the blood of Christ. Why do you even believe this man to be a Chrisian?
H
2 Corinthians 6:14-16 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
DHK -
Saul was in the presence of the exalted Christ. The text does not mention that God the Holy Spirit or God the Father were also present. It only says that Jesus was there speaking in an audible voice to Saul. Saul's experience in Acts 9 does not correspond to the personal experience you detail below.
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DHK,
Rather than type out a long response yet again, here is one of my posts again from much earlier in this thread...
This is in spite of the fact that these passages of scripture...and there are of course hundreds if not thousands of others as well...that use the word all in *precisely* the same way...
In adition...why are you choosing to ignore the passages that do no use that word?
Paul makes no great and mighty claim with those, just like he makes no great and mighty claim regarding having knowledge, having faith, or understanding mysteries. He is clearly bringing up many many things which are possible for us to participate in...including speaking in a heavenly language by gifting of the Holy Spirit...and he is making the point that all of it is secondary to love.
Nothing that you have posted disturbs in the least bit the point that the scriptures, and those such as myself and several others on this thread are making, regarding the gift of tongues. You are taking the interpretation of men regarding these passages, found in some commentaries and in some denominational seminaries...men who for whatever reasons are biased against these gifts...and imo taking their word for it, rather than simply reading the scriptures as written by God.
This is exactly what the Catholics do regarding what they are told they must believe from the Hierarchy of their false church!
I'm not trying to put you down in the least, brother. I'll proudly stand shoulder to shoulder with you in any number of situations...as you know I have in other threads here at this fine forum site(such as the Catholic ones)...and if some heathen or pagan wants to go toe to toe with you they will have me to deal with as well. I'll "have your back" as the kids say.
But so many brothers and sisters on this thread have given scripture after scripture after scripture after scripture after scripture, and yet you say things like "you have offered no scriptural proof".
Yes we have. Over and over again.
In His love,
Mike</font>[/QUOTE]There...now that was a whole lot easier that typing it all out again!
Grace and peace,
Mike
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