Please don’t try and play the victim. The only one reaching here is you. People have said they don’t know about his ultimate faith. That is it. You cannot seem to accept that for some bizarre reason. So you elimate the possibility acting as if God’s grace could not possibly have been received during his final hours. People have been honest in saying that they don’t know. No reaching by anyone in their admission of ignorance. You want to close the book and act as if everyone else is illogical for not making the same ASSUMPTION that you have. Nobody else is making assumptions so please explain how this thread full of people is reaching.
Stephen Hawking Succumbs 14 March AD 2018
Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Jerome, Mar 14, 2018.
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Secondly, no one wants Hawking or anyone else, to die in his sin. I hope that Christ did spare him; however, *as far as we know* from Hawking's own testimony, he did not trust in Christ.
In the case of your step father, you were a witness, as you say. If Hawking had a similar experience maybe there will be witness testimony of such a conversion, but for now, *As far as we know* from reality, and his own words, he lived and died a rebellious sinner. There is no evidence to the contrary, unfortunately. -
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Here are some facts. In the past few years Dr. Hawking, possibly the greatest cosmologist who ever lived, had come to believe in:
In reverse order regarding date (he would have loved that!)
1. Intelligent Design.
2. That study of cosmology was to achieve a "theory of everything" which would be "the ultimate triumph of human reason—for then we should know the mind of God."
3. “I believe the universe is governed by the laws of science,” conceding that “the laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws.”
Who knows how much farther he may have come since admitting to intelligent design three years ago?
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They might be. I don't know. I haven't thought about it before. But, is one a Christian who makes no public profession? Could one who has been regenerated not be so filled with joy that he could not contain it? I don't believe that's possible, but I haven't given this a lot of though, and again, I'm not making that claim above.
When I referred to witnesses, I simply meant that if someone were present they would likely report such a thing and that would be made public, in all likelihood. Maybe not, but probably, if it had taken place. -
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From my perspective, Tom, you noted a trajectory Dr. Hawkings seemed to be taking. You were quite clear that you didn't know or want to speculate if that trajectory's landing point was Heaven. You only noted that:
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Salvation is of the Lord, not any of us. I can agree that what I have seen of his life doesn't look too good. Bottom line, we cannot be sure. No where in scripture does it say we get to stand in place of God and pronounce condemnation. -
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Hawking carried a cross much of his adult life. The evil one whispers in his ear... I pray that The HS was also whispering -
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Www.washintonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/03/14/im-not-afraid-what-stephen-hawking-said-about-god-his-own-atheism-and-his-own-death
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Brian..how does the Calvinist evaluate the thief on the cross who was most likely sinned his whole life but who recognizes The Christ in the person of Jesus, repents and is saved.. went To Christ that very day.
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BTW Brian... ok not sure you and I have the same understanding of Pelegian theology. Are you suggesting that Tom is neglecting the supernatural working of God through the HS... if so I would ardently disagree.
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May I ask, may you say with confidence, to a man who has placed his faith in Christ that he will be forgiven his sins and reconciled with God? Or do you tell, I don't know if you will be saved if you trust in Christ for the forgiveness of sins?
If you do tell a sinner that he can be confident in Christ's promise to save him if he has faith in Christ, you can also be confident, as th Apostle Paul was in telling men that if they do NOT place their faith in Christ, if the deny the Son, they will be lost. Further, when a man tells us what Hawking has told us below, assuming nothing changes, what can we say of him? If can't speak with the clarity of scripture, I ask why?
Why can't we think of John 3:18? He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18(NKJV)
or For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. Matthew 12:37(NKJV)
Here are some quotes from Hawking. This is his confession:
"Salvation is of the Lord, not any of us."There was one point where religious advocates tried to use a quote from A Brief History Of Time to suggest his belief in God: “It would be the ultimate triumph of human reason – for then we should know the mind of God.” However, if it wasn’t clear to people that he was an atheist, in his 2010 book The Grand Design he clarified that it was a metaphorical comment. He later told El Mundo in no uncertain terms: “What I meant by ‘we would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God. Which there isn’t. I’m an atheist.”
He told the paper that our existence is down to pure chance, and that one's goal should be to "seek the greatest value of our action."
Three years later, in an interview with El Mundo, a Spanish-language newspaper, Hawking was even more direct, declaring, "I am an atheist."
He added: "Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation."
Yes. I know that
"I can agree that what I have seen of his life doesn't look too good."
That's an understatement, Since he is a public figure and authored books, we can see clearly that he did not confess Christ. In fact he lead many thousands to the pit, by his words.
"Bottom line, we cannot be sure."
If we can be sure of the gospel, we can be sure of the fate of those you deny it. That's why we send missionaries to ar off lands and tell men that they can be saved by Christ and Christ alone, and if they ignore His generous offer of forgiveness, they will perish.
"No where in scripture does it say we get to stand in place of God and pronounce condemnation."
No one here has pronounced his sentence. We have judged his words against scripture, as all of the Apostles have taught us to do. We warn sinners, don't ignore the light God gives you or you will perish, right? Is telling them that they will perish wrong? Is it sinful to say of an unrepentant sinner, you will be rightly judged by God if you die in you state of unrepentance? I don't see how it is.
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I don't know but I like to hope for the best not the worst.
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