Thanks, blessings to you as well.
Sticks & Stones - Do You Stone The Sabbath Breaker? (Num 15:32-36)
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Alofa Atu, Oct 24, 2019.
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It is the same with what is allowed to eat. It was never meant that all Christians had to follow the Jewish dietary laws, no, never, and not for a moment. Circumcision was also done away with for the believer, as what was done or not done to the body had no bearing on the salvation of the believer - it is what is in one person's heart and mind, not what is done to the body in either circumcision or eating. That has been the accepted Christian truth, not the stuff you are peddling. -
Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? If you have no scripture for your tradition that breaks Gods' 4th commandment who do you follow, God or man? You are indeed confused brother not knowing the Word of God and according to the scripture neither do you follow it *MATTHEW 7:22-26.
God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word) and follow him. Perhaps you should consider 1 JOHN 2:3-4. What do you think it means? -
In that you still cannot/willnot obey the punitive clause of the commandment
Do You Stone The Sabbath Breaker? (Num 15:32-36) -
You say that Andrew recanted his criticism of the SDA pro-choice guidelines. REALLY? Then why has he not taken down the myriad of youtube videos exposing the SDA for it's participation in the murder of babies. Saturday worship is a big deal to you. Not eating pork is a big deal to you. But the murder of innocent babies matter not to the SDA and what takes place in your hospitals is all the proof I need to know your church is a stenchi in the Lord's nostrils. You want to point to the Catholic Church and what happened back in the Middle Ages? What about what the holocaust your church is participating in every day of the year?
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Please stop saying things no one has said. Including your misinformation in relation to abortion and what SDA's believe.
Your confused there is no official position statement on pro-choice abortion from the SDA Church anywhere. There is only a 1992 guidline statement. You misrepresent what is being said brother this is sad for you.
While the church's official publications have avoided discussion of the abortion issue, pro-life Adventists have taken to the Internet to call on the church to revisit its position (guidelines).
I suggest you re-visit post # 47 for how SDA'S view abortion.
You seem to be confused as to what the Church is brother. The Church is the people not the building or an organisation. I can understand more where you are coming from now. I was wondering why you do not like to discuss the scrptures and seek to change topic from the subject matter and the bible.
Now I could rechange our topic of discussion and talk about all the abominations that the Catholic Church has committed over time. Even mentioning the 10's of millions of protestants that the Church persecuted and killed and the pagan practices introduces into the Church and show miles of posts of supporting historical evidence but do you know why I am not? It is because I believe God's people are in "EVERY CHURCH"! living up to all the knowledge God has given them.
We are not responsible for what others do, say or believe. We are responsible though for what we do, say and believe. God is calling his people out from following man made traditions where ever they may be back to follow him according to the pure Word of God. That is all I am seeking to do by sharing God's WORD here. You are only spreading half truths and lies by omission and misinformation. No one I know in the SDA Church believes, supports or teaches abortion and to say this is the position of the SDA Church is only a lie.
Now many Priests practice(ed) pedephillia against young children in the Roman Catholic Church. There is a long history of child abuse practiced within the Church and covered up by the RCC leadership over the years. There are too many links to post. So just posting a few below.
1. History of sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church (Wiki)
2. The Catholic Church’s grim history of ignoring priestly pedophilia – and silencing would-be whistleblowers
3. The Catholic Church’s Unholy Stain
4. Pope Francis latest target in the Catholic Churches Pedophillia blame game
Now, does this mean that the all the members of the RCC support and practice pedephillia? Well of course not. That would be a ludicrous thing to say yet this is the same approach you take in your argument on abortion.
Now do you have any scripture to share in relation to the subject matter of the OP?
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The SDA condemned the Catholic church for saying abortion is murder. And it looks like they finally going to cough it up.
Adventist Review Online | World Church Executive Committee Considers Statement on Abortion
They are trying to change the official position-> "The sixth commandment 37 states: “You shall not kill” (Exodus 20:13), which calls for the preservation of human life. The 38 principle to preserve life enshrined in the sixth commandment places abortion within its scope."
THEY KNOW they messed up.
Before They defend the right for abortion as "RELIGIOUS LIBERTY". A person is not to coherce or be another persons conscience.
So telling someone they shouldn't get an abortion obstructs a person "religious liberty", but whining about what day they decided to express love for God is just fine.
This is the official position of the SDA CHURCH, From their official website.
4) The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church. Women, at times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital defects carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She should be aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made within the context of healthy family relationships.
5) Christians acknowledge as first and foremost their accountability to God. They seek balance between the exercise of individual liberty and their accountability to the faith community and the larger society and its laws. They make their choices according to scripture and the laws of God rather than the norms of society. Therefore, any attempts to coerce women either to remain pregnant or to terminate pregnancy should be rejected as infringements of personal freedom.
Wow then let me worship when I want! You infringe on my personal freedom.
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We are not living in the OLD COVENANT under the civil laws of the nation of ISRAEL. We are in the NEW COVENANT now brother where have you been? Death penalty is still in place for all sin in the NEW COVENANT to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13 though Vengence is now God's.
ROMANS 12:17-19 [17] Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. [18] If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. [19] Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.
REVELATION 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Yep would not like to be in the shoes of those who practice sin at the second coming when many only find out too late that they lost their salvation thinking they were saved but did not believe and follow what God says *MATTHEW 7:22-26; HEBREWS 10:26-39
May you receive God's WORD and be blessed. Ignoring it does not make it dissappear. -
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"Your misinformation and lies are also noted."
I understand your pain brother, in denial. I bet you can't find a official position and statement for anything.
Notice I'm not calling you names and I don't think you are a bad person.
No one wants to be the bad guy.
"There is no official position and statement on abortion."
I can say the official position is Abortion is Murder in the Church of Jesus Christ.
Here is Official LINK that anyone can see:
Abortion
I don't have to make up anything. All I have to do is point at where your church officially stands.
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While the church's official publications have avoided discussion of the abortion issue, pro-life Adventists have taken to the Internet to call on the church to revisit its position (guidelines).
I suggest you re-visit post # 47 for how SDA'S view abortion. -
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We are not living in the OLD COVENANT under the civil laws of the nation of ISRAEL. We are in the NEW COVENANT now brother where have you been? Death penalty is still in place for all sin in the NEW COVENANT to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13 though Vengence is now God's.
ROMANS 12:17-19 [17] Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. [18] If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. [19] Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.
REVELATION 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Yep would not like to be in the shoes of those who practice sin at the second coming when many only find out too late that they lost their salvation thinking they were saved but did not believe and follow what God says *MATTHEW 7:22-26; HEBREWS 10:26-39
According to God's WORD God's LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and if we knowingly break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *1 JOHN 3:4. All those who continue in known unrepentant sin after they receive a knowledge of the truth will not enter the kingdom of God becase they do despite to the Spirit of God and count the blood of the coventant an unholy thing rejecting the gift of God's dear son *HEBRREWS 10:26-39; ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13. -
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yes i keep the Sabbath 24/7/52.
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So, I am not sure, if people that seem to write perfectly good English, understand how to read English, as the OP is about the law of stoning the sabbath breaker in the OT, and how it directly applies to the NT individual as per 1 Corinthians 10 and 1 Corinthians 15, etc, and yet persons responding to the thread seem to be about every other issue other than the topic. Is it because their own conscience is pricked by the material?, I cannot say. Is it because what is presented is so clearly true, that it would go against their own present theology, and therefore, they must needs deflect, obfuscate and derail to save their own pride, to save themselves from admitting their own error? Even if so, the words do not change, the text presented doesn't change. Truth is as the rock, and it is error which is cleaved by it.
I am not impressed by words or false accusations, as all of those sticks and stones cannot eternally hurt me. They merely strengthen my resolve to press onward in the upward way.
To anyone who is sincere can see what is mere obfuscation, and what is truth and clarification. So I no longer worry about those who merely seek to deter people from truth, as those who desire truth, there is nothing that can be done against from God giving it to them who seek and ask after it.
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