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  1. SpiritualMadMan

    SpiritualMadMan New Member

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    Mine:

    Bush: 71%

    kerry: 37%

    Kucinich: 20%
     
  2. mioque

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    Who is Kucinich? And why did I just decide to vote for him?
    Kucinich 52%
    Kerry 49%
    Bush 25%
     
  3. Stratiotes

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    Its a little "biased" in its assumption that all those issues are federal issues. And, the assumption that the federal govt should have any role at all in public education, for instance. For instance, I can't say I oppose or favor prayer in public schools since I don't think there should be any public schools in the first place ;) .

    And, I can't say I want to appoint judges who will "outlaw abortion" when I don't think the constitution gives judges to legislate *anything*. But, my answer would probably go to the Kerry column.

    As always, we are bombarded with issues over principles.
     
  4. Stratiotes

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    mioque,
    In response to your question:
    http://www.kucinich.us/

    I hadn't heard of him before this either - it appears that we didn't miss much though - IMHO ;) .
     
  5. mioque

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    "Kucinich first came to national prominence in 1977 when he was elected mayor of Cleveland at age 31; the youngest person ever elected to lead a major American city. In 1978, Cleveland's banks demanded that he sell the city's 70 year-old municipally-owned electric system to its private competitor (in which the banks had a financial interest) as a precondition of extending credit to city government. Kucinich refused to sell Muny Light. In an incident unprecedented in modern American politics, the Cleveland banks plunged the city into default for a mere $15 million. Kucinich lost his re-election bid in 1979."
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    :D
    I feel proud for him scoring the highest allready.
     
  6. LadyEagle

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    Kucinich ran Cleveland into bankruptcy. Most clear thinking Buckeyes don't think too highly of him and consider him a nut job. :D
     
  7. Priscilla Ann

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    Kerry 77%
    Bush 16%
     
  8. JGrubbs

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    Note: Once the primary elections have concluded, we'll add third-party candidates to the guide.

    I will wait to take the quiz. [​IMG]
     
  9. AF Guy N Paradise

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    From a guy serving in Paradise:

    Bush - 64%
    Kerry - 38%
    Kucinich - 26%

    Aloha!!!
     
  10. Daniel David

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    Bush: 71%

    Kerry: 37%

    Kucinich: 28%
     
  12. RodH

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    The funny thing is I didn't know who Kucinich was until yesterday and now he announced is dropping out of the race and supporting Kerry. [​IMG] Most of us never knew he was in the race.

    Link to FOX News article
     
  13. church mouse guy

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    Daniel David and Hardsheller, you had higher scores for Bush than I did! I think that you might be a little more moderate.

    I went back and looked at some of the issues where Republicans might disagree to figure out why did not get 100% for Bush.

    Here goes nothing.

    On the abortion issue, I favor making an exception for rape/incest. I don't know where Bush is on this point but I imagine many here would not allow this exception even as a compromise if all other abortion could be eliminated at this moment.

    I favor the constitutional ban on gay marriages, as does Bush, as the best protection against a liberal Supreme Court. Many here do not want the constitutional amendment, including Democrats and people leaning to the Constitution or Libertarian Parties.

    I depart from Bush on the issue of Federal Funding of Religious Charities. Black liberals seem to be the main supporters of this idea. It has an Indianapolis connection, as Indianapolis was one of the labortories for this idea under former Mayor Stephen Goldsmith, now working for Bush in Washington DC for this program and on other matters.

    I am also against Bush on the No Child Left Behind program. It caused only a huge increase in federal funding of education. I would like to return to the Reagan idea of abolishing the Dept. of Education.

    I am also against vouchers. I think that any Christian school that wants to stay independent should not accept one red penny from the government.

    I support the Patriot Act. This is where I depart from the Democrats, the Libertarians, and the Constitution Party again.

    I am against the immediate withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. This seems to be an idea of Peroutka who has declared the war illegal and who has intended to make Bush and the troops vulnerable to war crimes charges for fighting an illegal war.

    I also support NAFTA. More foreign companies outsource jobs to the USA than American companies outsource to foreign lands. What is wrong with the job market is the absurd influx of illegals. Also, our teenagers don't work anymore because we are so affluent that they get allowances larger than many illegals earn.

    Finally, on the subject of Kucinich, it seems to me that he was almost recalled as Mayor of Cleveland. Does anyone else remember that?
     
  14. TomVols

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    Lady, Isn't the phrase "Clear Thinking Buckeye" an oxymoron? :-D
     
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    Kucinich - 76%
    Kerry - 73%
    Bush - 16%

    Jill
     
  16. JGrubbs

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    Bush agrees with you on this issue.

    Peroutka agrees with you on this issue.

    Peroutka agrees with you on this issue.

    The GOP used to agree on this issue, but Bush removed the plank calling to abloish the DOE back in 2000.

    Peroutka agrees with you on this issue.

    Bush agrees with you on this issue

    Can you find one place that Peroutka has said he "intended to make Bush and the troops vulnerable to war crimes charges"??

    You shouldn't spread lies about one of your brothers in Christ, or anyone for that matter!
     
  17. church mouse guy

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    It stands to reason by logical extension that, if a war were illegal, then the Commander-In-Chief and the troops that waged that war would be guilty of war crimes. That was the lesson of the Nurenberg Trials and the trials of Japanese war criminals after World War II.

    The very charge that the war is illegal makes it a matter for the World Court and the United Nations. If it were illegal, Peroutka would have to deal with the issue if he were to win in November. What choice would he have but to try and execute members of the Bush administration? A crime against humanity must be punished.
     
  18. JGrubbs

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    Interesting logig you have there, it has no foundation, as Peroutka has never made any of the claims you say he has made, but it is interesting logic none the less.
     
  19. church mouse guy

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    For the record, Peroutka has said that the war in Iraq is illegal.
     
  20. JGrubbs

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    So have many others, including some US Congressmen and Senators, but none of them have called for "war crimes charges" against Bush and the US military that I know about.

    There may be some extreme leftists that would call for war crimes charges, but I have not heard any conservatives calling for that.

    I believe the war in Iraq is unconstitutional, thus the US Constitution being the law of the land, it would be illegal, but I don't call for war crimes charges against Bush and the US military.
     
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