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Terror on the Strip! Sniper guns down concert goers ...

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by righteousdude2, Oct 2, 2017.

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  1. Sapper Woody

    Sapper Woody Well-Known Member

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    Matt, you aren't being consistent with your showing of statistics of violent crime. You are being shown incontrovertible proof that banning guns does not reduce violent crime, and only reduces gun related crime. Yet you show only how gun violence is down over there.

    What you are plainly being shown, in black and white, is that citizens owning guns makes things safer for the general public. If citizens do not have guns, such as in your case, then violent crime actually rises. Just because it's not gun crime does not negate the fact that it is a violent crime.

    The ONLY proof that should be needed is to compare the US to the UK. UK bans guns. So gun violence is down. But violence is more common. US has guns. Gun violence is higher, but violence across the spectrum is less.

    Now, even if we want to narrow it down even more, to get a more "apples to apples" comparison, look at the cities in the US which have the most strict gun laws. They have the most murders and violent crimes than anywhere else.

    As another point, compare the ability of the UK to protect its borders from gun runners to that of the US. We are not an island. Guns can come across from any point of hundreds of miles of border; both from the north and the south. If we ban guns, we are literally only taking them away from law abiding citizens, while allowing drug runners and cartel to have them.

    How anyone in their right mind can argue that we need to ban guns in America literally baffles me. Beyond being unconstitutional, it's simply not logical.
     
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    "The incident marked the 273rd mass shooting in 2017, according to the nonprofit Gun Violence Archive, which tracks shootings in the US. To put this into perspective, we are 275 days into the year, which means the US has had nearly as many mass shootings as days in 2017."

    There have been 273 mass shootings in the US so far in 2017 — here's the full list
     
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  3. Matt Black

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    Ok well we need to agree on comparators. To compare what happened in Vegas on Sunday you need to compare like with like. I'm willing to concede, as you ask, that because we have all but a ban on guns here, other forms of violence need to be thrown into the mix. So let's go for violent crime leading to death ie: homicides. Our rate is still far lower per capita then yours.

    [Reply to Sapper Woody]
     
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    And you didn't answer my question. I NEVER said anything about anyone's rights trumping anyone else's rights.
     
  5. Matt Black

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    The bottom line for me would be: are your 2nd Amendment rights sufficient to justify the sort of mass slaughters you seem to put up with? Is this a price worth paying for your rights? How many deaths is too many?
     
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    Finally you said something that makes sense. You just can't compute!
     
  7. Matt Black

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    Someone else's right to life surely trumps your right to bear arms?
     
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  8. Matt Black

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    No, because it is beyond comprehension as a Christian
     
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    So you think only guns constitute a violent crime? Stabbing someone is not a crime of violence? Rape is not a crime of violence? Aggravated Battery is not a crime of violence?
     
  10. Matt Black

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    It's 20 past midnight here and I need to get some sleep. Work tomorrow and all that. So my lack of response isn't being deliberately rude.
     
  11. Matt Black

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    Deaths due to violence?
     
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    I comprehend it just fine, as do many of the other's reading this thread. Are you insinuating we are not Christians?
     
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    So being stabbed to death is not a crime of violence? Being beaten to death is not a crime of violence?
     
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    Actually a gun is designed to burn propellent to push a projectile. What the projectile hits is outside the design parameters.
     
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  15. Matt Black

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    I have no way of judging your personal standing with God, nor do you have re me. I am saying I cannot and could not were I in the US reconcile my faith with owning a gun unless I was in the police or military
     
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    Correct that they are. But rare, and they don't result in the mass slaughters of innocents as guns cause in the US
     
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    So was Jesus wrong when he instructed His disciples to arm themselves?
     
  18. Matt Black

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    Fine with that. So let's confine them to shooting ranges then
     
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    So 52 dead is not a "mass slaughter?"
     
  20. Matt Black

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    No. You're just reading Him wrong
     
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