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The Authority of Scripture: Creedal vs. Sole Authority

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JonC, Dec 17, 2018.

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  1. TCassidy

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    Asked and answered so why do you continue to ask the question that has already been answered?
     
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    When their points of doctrine and belief line up and are in agreement with the Bible...
     
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    He said that was a an intentional misrepresentation of his words.

    Hence my question.
     
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    Just as you intentionally misrepresented my words?

    You asked
    After I said
     
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    That is where we disagree.

    I believe creeds and confessions to be descriptive only. We have to go to Scripture when examining doctrine.
     
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    Would say that would based upon the historical fact that Calvinists have by and by been the Christians that have stood up too the attacks launched upon the Gospel and the Bible themselves!
     
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    Requote Any Calvinist/reformed who posts here that stated that they do!
     
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    So when the Confession merely reaffirms and agrees with the Bible itself, that mean that they are not authorative in that the doctrines has ben firmly established as being true?
     
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    Ok. Let's put away the childishness of he said she said you said etc and just get to the subject of the OP. You are losing me in the jargon.

    The OP concerns the authority of creeds.

    I believe them descriptive only (no authority).

    I understand @The Archangel to hold them in authority if biblically based.

    He can answer and clarify from there. You aren't working out as a middle man :Laugh.
     
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    Yes. The reason is that these are not just strings of Scripture. They involve interpretation and sometimes quite a bit of philosophy.

    The creed I question states that Mary is the "Mother of God". Some disagree with that description and prefer the mother of Jesus (Jesus in His humanity). So they reject the creed.

    Even one of the most basic creeds have Jesus descending into Hell, which has been taken at least 3 ways (literal Hell, the grave, and suffering a hell for 3 hours on the cross).

    So I believe them descriptive (which accommodates differences) but not an authority (one is forced to seek out Scripture).
     
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    Then place cite the scriptures that indicate to you why the vast majority of us who uphold Jesus having 2 natures are wrong!
     
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    Does not the 1689 Confession go to the very scriptures themselves though, as it does not affirm itself to be any authority apart from the basis of what ha been revealed to us in the scriptures themselves?
    Every church pretty much has some form of a written statement of beliefs held by it, based upon scriptures, are they also wrong?
     
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    OK. But first you cite Scripture stating we will not have cars in Heaven.
     
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    Can Jesus being fully human and not have a human nature?
     
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    In the KJV that term "hell" is used to translate referring to three different places. In the modern versions typically gehenna.
     
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    Yes, please do. I am getting tired of it. Surely you have something more to offer?
     
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    I thought you were going to stop the childishness.
     
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    Its drafters assured us that it was NOT "a binding or governing document on Southern Baptist churches and their members."

    Baptist Press June 14, 2000
    Baptist Press June 14, 2000
     
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    That is where the Kjv got it wrong....
     
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    No.
     
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