According to the Extant works of Hippolytus the bishop of the church at Ephesus was a man named Phygellus. His assistant in the ministry was Hermogenes.
The Bishop of Ephesus
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Bob Hope, Feb 23, 2016.
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It appears neither one was partial to Paul. -
According to the Apostle Paul, Timothy was the "bishop" of Ephesus."
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SovereignGrace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
These two deserted Paul after being imprisoned in Asia Minor. Neither were the 'Bishop' of the church at Ephesus.
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Did not Paul say that all Asia was against him? Why would he say that if his boy Tim was in Ephesus? -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I Timothy 4 makes it very clear based on the fact that Timothy had elders lay hands on him (ordination), his responsibility was to read scripture, teach, exhort, he was to stand against false teachings in the church. Paul would not have given these instructions to someone in the church who was not the pastor.
In 2 Timothy 4 Paul tells Timothy for preach the word and to be faithful in it. Yes Timothy was certainly the pastor. -
Sorry, he was not the bishop. You have proved nothing.
http://biblehub.com/library/hippoly..._of_hippolytus/the_same_hippolytus_on_the.htm
20. Andronicus, bishop of Pannonia.
21. Amplias, bishop of Odyssus.
22. Urban, bishop of Macedonia.
23. Stachys, bishop of Byzantium.
24. Barnabas, bishop of Heraclea.
25. Phygellus, bishop of Ephesus. He was of the party also of Simon. [2033]
26. Hermogenes. He, too, was of the same mind with the former.
27. Demas, who also became a priest of idols.
28. Apelles, bishop of Smyrna.
29. Aristobulus, bishop of Britain.
30. Narcissus, bishop of Athens.
31. Herodion, bishop of Tarsus.
32. Agabus the prophet.
33. Rufus, bishop of Thebes.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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One more good link showing that there is zero proof that Tim was little more than a deacon.
http://www.alanknox.net/2008/12/was-timothy-bishop-of-ephesus/ -
SovereignGrace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Bro. Mitchell, welcome to the 'dumb club'.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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--This is a church that needed a pastor. Paul had raised up Timothy as a spiritual son. Now he was mature enough to take charge of his own work.
(ESV) As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine,
--Paul's command to Timothy was to set the false doctrine straight. The word "charge" is a military term.
It demands subordination, obedience from a superior. He was to take control of things in this church just as a pastor would whenever there was false doctrine involved.
In Paul's touching conclusion of his final letter, the last words that he will ever pen, he makes one last request of his beloved friend:
2Ti 4:9 Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me:
--He wants to see Timothy one more time before his death. He arranges for another to take his place while he is gone from his pastorate, for it would be but for a temporary time.
2Ti 4:12 And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus.
Surely, Timothy would return and keep the charge which Paul had given him:
2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. -
I appreciate the answer but it does not prove that he was the bishop. -
SovereignGrace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Notice you didn't 'dumb' a mod's post. Why? He nailed you dead to rights.
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And what of the book written by Hippolytus? You skip addressing it and instead go after the blog because he uses assumptions as you have done.
You have made an assumption that just because Paul said that Tim should preach that it makes him a bishop. That's hardly proof. No where in the bible does anyone refer to Tim as a pastor or bishop. Yet Paul makes it clear that all Asia had turned against him. We have by Paul's own hand a written account that he had issues with these two men Phygellus and Hermogenes, which Hippolytus confirms were at Ephesus. This is consistent with Paul's issues with the churches in Asia. -
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