What would Thomas Jefferson say to those who evoke his words to install fascism in America today?
“Why can't you see?We just want to be freeTo have our homes and familiesAnd live our lives as we please.” Dana RohrabacherWest Coast Libertarian Troubadour (1973)(From David Friedman's, “The Machinery of Freedom.”)
Today is the 264th Anniversary of the birth of Thomas Jefferson. A lot has happened in America in those years but most importantly a lot is still happening that Americans fail to understand. We need to connect ALL the dots.
In California a Federal Maritime Officer, Lt. Eric Shine, is fighting charges he is depressed; although they have argued he is employed within the proceedings they refuse to pay him or give him his benefits; that means he receives none of his due medical benefits or legal aid. Catch-22. Very useful to those suing him, which includes the US Government, Homeland Security, and the US Coast Guard. The powers that be pretty much ignored Shine and the charges he had leveled of toxic waste dumping, graft, and corruption until he began to write letters to Congress. They then slammed him with continuous litigation and decided he was depressed. If he wasn't he should be.
Who 'they' is goes to the Dot question. If the US Government, Homeland Security, and the Coast Guard weren't enough Shine has gotten the attention of others who are perhaps even scarier. One of these is The Carlyle Group and their friends and associates. This included George W. Bush for a while; the senior Bush is still believed to be associated.
The Carlyle Group, a corporation that handles investments for the well connected, including alumni of the Reagan, Bush Administrations and Saudi Princes, acquired General Dynamics, for which Eric Shine's father worked as Vice President of Engineering in 1992. Seeing what was happening to America 's military through the acquisition of General Dynamics in that year gave Eric the insight he needed to understand what was happening to the Merchant Marine. At the time Eric had no idea how 'Six Degrees of Separation' the world really is.
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See also, Iraq For Sale. To see how well the privatization of the U.S. government and military is going.
The CorporaState that Ate America
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Aug 9, 2007.
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In President Bush's news conference today he mentioned cutting taxes for corporations. It's clear that the Republican Party no longer cares about the average American. Republicans are too busy taking care of their rich buddies in big corporations to care about us.
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If all taxation was removed from corporations do you honestly believe that corporations would drastically reduce their prices to reflect this? I do not.
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No, they wouldn't. But if they had never been taxed, they would likely have never raised prices to the place where they are. It was misguided from the beginning to tax corporations. It contributed to driving them offshore as well.
Let's face it, corporations only have the money that you and I give to them. They have no money to pay taxes with unless you give it to them. So when they need more money to pay higher taxes, they go to the very same well that they did before. -
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Prices are set by supply and demand, not tax rates.
Even back during the Reagan years it was common wisdom that if given a choice between lowering personal taxes or corporate taxes that the wise correct course of action was to place priority on lowering personal taxes. -
I tend to agree with you, but if a corps taxes are raised, they must raise prices unless they want to operate in the red - opps, they cant do that, ony the goverment con
If corp taxes were done away with, then once one business lowers prices, others would have to - as Ken said -
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Your sentence is imcomplete. It should read "That nearly always bodes well for the workers in foreign countries". -
2) Not true. Oil companies sell gasoline at a loss at the pump more often than I care to think about. -
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What does all this have to do with the power the corporations have over governments and our very lives?
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"Conservatives" don't want to talk about that, poncho. It would expose their Big Government agenda which is just as destructive to liberty in these United States as the liberals' Nanny State.
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It's global fascism. That's what people don't want to talk about. They'll all tell ya that fascism is bad and all but they won't admit it's happening in their own backyard right in front of their eyes and they're making excuses for not speaking out against it or denying it exsists altogether. They're to busy hiding in the false left vs right paradigm, because it's comfortable there and so they simply refuse to take notice that it's all a contolled debate right from the start. Because, that's what they know, it's familiar to them and they can console themselves by thinking they've chosen a side, team, tribe or whatever.
In any case, the state is in the hands of very powerful transnationals with no loyalty to anyone or anything but they're own greed these days and they set the rules of what can and cannot be discussed in the media and society. That's what they don't want to talk about for whatever "reason" Ken. At least that's the way I see it. -
Once was a time when a label on any American product "Made in the U.S.A." meant something but not anymore, with American companies going after the cheap labor as a means to improve their bottom line they just as well throw in the towel and surrender. Greed is a great motivator but it often causes the demise of once great companies that are not willing to pursue long term stratagies in which all can share benifits from a properly motivated labor force.
So now a theory surfaces that if big business is given tax cuts that they will use the savings to invest in themselves to improve business. That is only a theory , Hillclimber, put it to the the test for a year maybe two and big business will fail at that as well they have a history of doing that from squandering past oppurtunities.
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