Matthew 26:18, ". . . say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples. . . ." Am I to understand you believe Jesus to have lied?
The date of the crucifixion.
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But is that's what happening in Matthew 26? I don't think so. Jesus tells people to secure the room by telling the owners that He'll keep passover there, but in fact Jesus is the passover. So he'll actually keep passover on the cross the next day on the 14th. The reader should already have known that Christ was the Passover Lamb. In light of that, it is well known that Passover includes the preparation day and the traditional preparation meal which is partaken of on the Nisan 13th/14th evening. This is before the Passover proper which occurs at sundown on the 14th/15th boundary. The passover meal proper is much more strict, being eaten standing up, staff in hand, in haste, sandal-shod, to commemorate the first Passover in Egypt. It's not a meal taken reclining.
Thus we know that the upper-room meal was eaten on the 13th/14th evening. This was a traditional preparation meal, not a passover meal. Jesus and His disciples eat reclining, taking their time, talking, discussing, eating bread with a sop -- all things you don't do when you eat a real passover according the the Law. -
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"... Now when evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the twelve. And as they were eating..." -
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Every 7 years Nisan 15 is on a Thursday. So 23AD and 30AD. The day falls on a Sunday, Saturday, and Tuesday besides Thursday. No other days of the week.
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I'm trying to picture eating with your belt on, sandals on, staff in hand and reclining, with someone's head in your bosom. I must confess, I don't see it. -
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This year works well with the known dates of Herod's death some few years "BC". Jesus would have been born at least 2 years before Herod's death. So year 26 for the Passion clicks into the date puzzle very nicely.
The meal in the upper room was on Wednesday on the Nisan 13/14 boundary. They were not eating a passover meal but rather the traditional preparation day meal which was in those days part of "keeping passover". 13 Nisan was considered to be "the first of unleavened" according to tradition because it was the preparation for the passover/unleavened feasts and it had its own meal, according to tradition.
An anolog to this in our culture would be black Friday as the unofficial "first day" of the Christmas festival season. -
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The previous day/evening (13/14 boundary) was the meal in the upper room. John 13:1-2. -
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"[1] Before the feast of the Passover, Jesus knowing that His hour had come, this that He would depart out of the world to the father, having love, the own who were in the world, to the end He loved them, [2] and supper taking place, the Devil already having put into the heart of Judas, son of Simon Iscariot, that he should betray Him..."This is all one sentence in Greek. The present participle in "supper taking place" puts this meal before the Passover feast. So this meal is on the 13th/14th boundary.
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Before the Passover, the supper was already wrapping up. Therefore, they have not just eaten the Passover. There is only one possible interpretation of that. -
John 12:50 - John 13:1, ". . . And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. . . ." John 13:2-4, "
And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him; Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God; He riseth from supper, . . ." Remember Judas was at the table per Luke 22:21, and what followed. -
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