The disrespect of students in High School

[Cutter]

"I can't do this. I can't parent 150 kids a day, much less educate them. The schedule is relentless. I come home exhausted. I spend the weekends napping. I go to bed at 8:30. I cannot imagine sustaining this pace all year long. I guess this means I've graduated, and now I get to decide what to do with my life."

The trials of trying to teach High Schoolers.

http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article610874.ece?761

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

High school students are not like this everywhere. But it is a shame that any are. It's easy to point fingers at our teachers for being unable to control a room full of strong-willed, rowdy students. But without question, the fault lies at home... or in some cases, the lack thereof.

 

[SBCPreacher]

But without question, the fault lies at home... or in some cases, the lack thereof.

Couldn't agree more! It's not the teacher's job to parent the students - it's the parents. But far too many of them have abandoned that responsibility and given it to the schools. Ain't right!!

 

[dan e.]

I find this thread amusing considering the other thread about modesty that was just shut down.

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

How so, dan?

 

[dan e.]

How so, dan?

That this thread is about disrespectful high school students, presumably in a secular school setting....meanwhile in the "Worldly Dress Problems" thread others go over the line in how they talk to married women.

[edited to remove specific personal attacks]

 

[annsni]

Yes, the disrespect in today's teens is amazing to me.

At our barn, we have a few teen horse owners who are there with their parents and I've actually turned around to the teen girls and said "If my daughter ever spoke to me like that, she'd not be feeling too good about a second later". Even my own teen told one of the girls to watch it! The one girl (13 years old) said to her mother "You're so lazy" when mom wouldn't fill the horse water buckets (she was still in her work clothes). I was shocked.

Then my poor girls, who were homeschooled through 8th grade head to the high school for 9th grade (after much prayer) and they come home telling me stories. The teachers have no control because oftentimes the parents don't care, figure their child can do no wrong, or are so beat down themselves that they've given up. For a child to get a cell call and get up and walk out of the room - or worse yet, just talk during class - is amazing to me.

Well, there's nothing I can do about any other children in this world but I can absolutely raise my kids to be polite and respectful to their elders. It's honestly becoming a lost art and I know that my own children will have a head start in being able to work in the world and be well-respected because they respect others.

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

That this thread is about disrespectful high school students, presumably in a secular school setting....meanwhile in the "Worldly Dress Problems" thread others go over the line in how they talk to married women.

[edited to remove specific personal attacks]

Oh ok, dan... I got you.

 

[SBCPreacher]

Well, there's nothing I can do about any other children in this world but I can absolutely raise my kids to be polite and respectful to their elders. It's honestly becoming a lost art and I know that my own children will have a head start in being able to work in the world and be well-respected because they respect others.

I agree 100% I can't help how someone else raised their kid (or didn't raise their kid), but I can ensure that we do the right job raising ours.

This reminds me of a time back in my youth ministry days. One parent had a teenage son who was horrible. They brought him to youth so that I could straighten him out. Finally, they came and told me, "We've been bringing him to you so that you could straighten him out." I tole them that there was no way I could straighten out in one hour a week what they have raised in him the last 16 years.

 

[Salamander]

We have reached many teens that have these same "problems". The solution is having the authority to send them right back to where they started with the behaviour problems/ HOME!

If they can't understand we're there for their benefit then they will simply have to face life without us.

Of course tolerance is exercised, they MUST be reached, but even Jesus truned away from those who refused what he offers.:godisgood:

 

[Salamander]

I agree 100% I can't help how someone else raised their kid (or didn't raise their kid), but I can ensure that we do the right job raising ours.

This reminds me of a time back in my youth ministry days. One parent had a teenage son who was horrible. They brought him to youth so that I could straighten him out. Finally, they came and told me, "We've been bringing him to you so that you could straighten him out." I tole them that there was no way I could straighten out in one hour a week what they have raised in him the last 16 years.

It's just not a "me and my four and no more" world. Outreach reaches some, not all.

 

[annsni]

Sal - I totally agree with you. We can only minister so much to these kids. If they're open and willing, it works great. If they're not, no amount of love and care is going to do it. We had a teen live with us 10 years ago when my big girls were little and it was hard. She was a tough cookie who was very troubled. She stayed with us for 6 months and finally at the end, she decided she didn't want to be in a family. Unfortunately, we had to let her go. It was sad because her mother died of breast cancer while she was in our care. Now 10 years later, she's still struggling but she refuses to turn back to the Lord. Very sad.

It all goes back to how they were raised. I wish these parents who want to be "friends" with their kids - or worse yet are "bothered" by them and inconvenienced - would just get back to what God tells us to do and BE with our kids. Teach them God's truths from the beginning and all day long. As I said, it's discipleship. It makes a difference.

 

[SBCPreacher]

It's just not a "me and my four and no more" world. Outreach reaches some, not all.

True, but no youth minister or youth ministry will un-do what mom and dad have raised in a kid for so many years. But, if God gets hold of him, He can change their life! I can't fix his wrong behavior, but I can introduce him to Someone who can.

 

[Salamander]

Sal - I totally agree with you.

I am typing this for Salamander. Please pray for him, he's lying in the floor gasping for breath after reading your reply !!!:laugh: Just kidding, I knew we'd find common ground.

We can only minister so much to these kids. If they're open and willing, it works great. If they're not, no amount of love and care is going to do it. We had a teen live with us 10 years ago when my big girls were little and it was hard. She was a tough cookie who was very troubled. She stayed with us for 6 months and finally at the end, she decided she didn't want to be in a family. Unfortunately, we had to let her go. It was sad because her mother died of breast cancer while she was in our care. Now 10 years later, she's still struggling but she refuses to turn back to the Lord. Very sad.

It all goes back to how they were raised. I wish these parents who want to be "friends" with their kids - or worse yet are "bothered" by them and inconvenienced - would just get back to what God tells us to do and BE with our kids. Teach them God's truths from the beginning and all day long. As I said, it's discipleship. It makes a difference.

A-men! Are you trying to preach or is it just coming across that way???:wavey:

 

[Salamander]

True, but no youth minister or youth ministry will un-do what mom and dad have raised in a kid for so many years. But, if God gets hold of him, He can change their life! I can't fix his wrong behavior, but I can introduce him to Someone who can.

Amen! Me too!

 

[annsni]

I am typing this for Salamander. Please pray for him, he's lying in the floor gasping for breath after reading your reply !!!:laugh: Just kidding, I knew we'd find common ground.A-men!

:laugh:

Are you trying to preach or is it just coming across that way???:wavey:

Me?? Never!!!

 

[pinoybaptist]

In my country, the chalks and erasers still fly, the cops still side with teachers, the law is on the teacher's side, and most of all, most of the parents still side with teachers.

In other words, the students know if they mess up, there's responsibility to own up to, and most often it's not gonna be pleasant for them.

Here ?

Never mind.

 

[righteousdude2]

The Disrespect You Experience Starts in Adults...

I can understand fully your frustration with today's young people. While it is true that not ALL young people are disrespectful, it is true that there is a growing number of young people, and folks of all ages and social backgrounds, who have this innate ability to "dis" anybody and everybody, anywhere, at anytime.

IMHO this disrespect comes from people on television who think it is "humorous" to make the Pope or the President the butt of their often mean spirited humor. When are teens see and hear this kind of "dissing" it becomes easier for them to lay aside what they were taught by their parents and society, and react toward those in positions of authority above them.

It is a sad thing to live in America today, because people just don't treat others with respect. I am often "guilty" of this myself, and I am constantly being reminded by my peers, and myself, that it is better to say nothing if in fact I can't say something nice about that person.

it is easy to blame the kids and their parents, but in truth, IMHO, those who are in positions of visibility and popularity need to get back to getting laughs the good old fashion way: with jokes that avoid foul language and disrespect to wards those in places of high esteem. This doesn't mean that these people in positions of esteem [i.e., the president, etc.] are without sin, or unable to make a mess of the office they are elected to. It just means that we cut them slack, and don't drop a "mean spirit bomb" on their head every time the opportunity lends it to us.

America needs to repent, and relearn the principles of "Love thy neighbor" even if that neighbor is hard to love.

Sorry Cutter, I didn't mean to go on a rant. But I wanted badly to say what was on my mind, and your topic was there. By the way, it's a great topic, and you have my most sincere prayers for the inward power and devotion to get out of bed each day and go to work. Your job is a calling of God, and He has you there for a reason. Blessings to you brother....

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

 

[Palatka51]

I can understand fully your frustration with today's young people. While it is true that not ALL young people are disrespectful, it is true that there is a growing number of young people, and folks of all ages and social backgrounds, who have this innate ability to "dis" anybody and everybody, anywhere, at anytime.

IMHO this disrespect comes from people on television who think it is "humorous" to make the Pope or the President the butt of their often mean spirited humor. When are teens see and hear this kind of "dissing" it becomes easier for them to lay aside what they were taught by their parents and society, and react toward those in positions of authority above them.

It is a sad thing to live in America today, because people just don't treat others with respect. I am often "guilty" of this myself, and I am constantly being reminded by my peers, and myself, that it is better to say nothing if in fact I can't say something nice about that person.

it is easy to blame the kids and their parents, but in truth, IMHO, those who are in positions of visibility and popularity need to get back to getting laughs the good old fashion way: with jokes that avoid foul language and disrespect to wards those in places of high esteem. This doesn't mean that these people in positions of esteem [i.e., the president, etc.] are without sin, or unable to make a mess of the office they are elected to. It just means that we cut them slack, and don't drop a "mean spirit bomb" on their head every time the opportunity lends it to us.

America needs to repent, and relearn the principles of "Love thy neighbor" even if that neighbor is hard to love.

Sorry Cutter, I didn't mean to go on a rant. But I wanted badly to say what was on my mind, and your topic was there. By the way, it's a great topic, and you have my most sincere prayers for the inward power and devotion to get out of bed each day and go to work. Your job is a calling of God, and He has you there for a reason. Blessings to you brother....

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

Rant on brother, rant on. :thumbs:

 

[Salamander]

I believe if we show them the final outcome that men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, and the ultimate end is the Second Coming, some will repent, qwhile others choose their own way and die and go to hell.

There is no "utopia", well, except Todd Rundgren thought there was.

We ought to be more busy reaching those who will trust the Lord and stop trying to moralize society.

I'm not talking about legislating morality, that is something that should've and has been the right thing, it's just God's plan for mankind to eventually reached total desparity. Only those who turn their will over to the Lord will be spared.

Reach all you can while you can!:godisgood: The rest? Oh, well.:tear: