Do you think that one wife refers to polygamy or divorce?
The first Pope was a married Priest
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by rockytopva, Oct 7, 2019.
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church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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rockytopva Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Does your church have celibate pastors? -
I think "blameless" covers divorce. "One wife" rules out polygamy (which was more an issue then than now, now that it's been long illegal).
Does Paul mean a bishop must have a wife? By what principle? And, what of Paul being pointedly single?
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Being the "husband of one wife" does not mean one must be married. Rather, the Apostle is stating that those clergy who are married MUST BE THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE, i.e., they cannot be divorced and remarried, which is adultery.
Trying to make this instruction mean marriage itself is a requirement for the clerical state is self-refuting, since St. Paul was celibate, as was Timothy. The Apostle would be contradicting his own teaching, as well as instructing Timothy to violate the teaching as well. -
Paul wrote, ON AUTHORITY FROM GOD, that it's wrong to forbid marriage, & that's THAT !
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NOTE: Celibate = unmarried
RE: St. Paul: "Now I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with sexual desire.“ (1 Cor 7:8-9)
RE: St. Timothy: We know from history (Polycrates), tradition as well as being found implicitly in the Scripture. "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity." (1 Tim 4:12). Men of youth did not marry in Jewish antiquity. Furthermore, there is no tradition in the history of Christianity where the ordained then get married. Rather, any married clergy in antiquity were already married prior to receiving ordination. The youthful Timothy, like the man who ordained him (St. Paul), was celibate. -
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church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Secondly, Polygamy is very widespread. Not only is it all over out west because of Mormonism, and they have taken it into Mexico on a widespread basis, but also Islam allows it and Islam is very widespread. No one has ever found a good way to totally stamp out polygamy in the United States. -
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church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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And being married & celibate except for medical or other legitimatre reasons is just-as wrong also. Remember, GOD, not men, said that when a man marries, his body is no longer entirely his own, but is also his wife's, and hers is his also.
Jesus upbraided some Pharisees who didn't help their destitute parents. So, your statement really needs some qualification.
Just saying things trying to justify the RCC's WRONG celibacy for clergy "discipline" is not a very wise course. -
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"He said to them, 'Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.” - Matthew 19:8-9
"And he said to them, 'Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her, and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.'” - Mark 10:11-12
"Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery." - Luke 16:18
"...for you have had five husbands, and the one you now have is not your husband. What you have said is true.” - John 4:18
Here is St. Paul affirming as well...
" For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress." - Romans 7:2-3
"A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord." - 1 Cor 7:39 -
Let me know if you want the true meaning of that passage. -
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Roman Catholic church could allow married men to become priests
Even just a little bit of research will show you that right now there are priests serving in the RCC who are forbidden to marry. -
The Church already has married men who are priests. Roughly 20% of the world's priests are married. The discipline of celibacy is only in the Latin Rite and even within it there are married priests (we have one in my own diocese).
You are conflating forbidding with an impediment. The Church does not forbid anyone from marriage. In fact the Church is the only defender of the sanctify of marriage, and teaches that marriage is a Sacrament. However, the Church does recognize there are impediments, which means one is not capable of entering into marriage. In the Latin rite of the Church, a few examples of impediments to marriage are:
- A person is already married
- Age
- A person has made a religious vow
- A person has received holy orders
- Consanguinity
- A person is physically unable to consummate the marriage
This does not mean the Church forbids people from marrying. Rather, an impediment means a person is not free to enter into marriage. Whether you will admit it or not, your church too recognizes impediments. For example, if you asked your pastor to marry you and your daughter, would he / she be obliged to perform it? Or, if you are already married and you want to marry your girlfriend, would your pastor perform that marriage? If not, does that mean your church is forbidding you from being married?
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