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Featured THE GATES OF HADES will not win is: JESUS' Promise to HIS CHURCHES.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Alan Gross, Oct 25, 2020.

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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    Why do you think that? At the second appearing we will not be absent from our body. 2 Corinthians 5:6, "Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: . . ."
     
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    I think he already answered that, though he made a typo on the scripture reference:
    Remember that Paul was answering questions from the Thessalonians about their deceased loved ones, who they were concerned had missed the kingdom of God:
    [1Th 4:13 KJV] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

    And Paul was comforting them about what state their deceased loved ones were in: "asleep". Notice that he didn't say they were "with the Lord". If that were true, that would have been even more comforting than what he actually said, so the only reason I can think of that he didn't say that is because it wasn't accurate. They weren't yet "with the Lord". Rather, they were "asleep".

    And this he recommends to them to use for comforting those that had lost loved ones. We also, unless there has been a change since Paul wrote that, should be using those words to comfort the grieving:
    [1Th 4:18 KJV] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
     
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    2 Cor 5:1-4 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle (This is the body we were born, of our mother. Dirt) were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, (This is the body God will give us. The body we groan, for) eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.(That would to be without either) For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. (Again, groaning for life in body incorruptible. Immortality.)

    Jesus came in an earthly house of tabernacle, died, and was raised out of death, to life, in a house no more to return to corruption and to die no more. Romans 6:9 Acts 13:34 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

    2 Cor 5:6 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

    This passage begins back in Chapter 4. It is about the resurrection.

    Now lets consider us having the earnest of the Spirit relative to receiving the self same thing. Notice these having the earnest of the Spirit groan. Where else do we see this same groaning relative to the Spirit and what is being groaned for?. Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

    This passage in 2 Cor 5 relative to being with the Lord is the exact time frame as 2 Thes 4:13-18, and it takes place at the coming of the Lord and the resurrection of those who are Christ's at the redemption of the body, the redemption of the purchased possession of Eph 1:14 When we will be glorified with Christ Phil 3:20, 21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

    That is when one will be with the Lord.

    That is when the gates of Hades have not prevailed.
     
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    My original argument you seem not to understand.
     
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    I think I understand, correct me if I am wrong

    You believe one dies departs the body and is with the Lord. And I ask is that one with the Lord, as naked? Is he found, to be with the Lord, naked? Or is he clothed in his house which is from heaven at death and therefore would not be found naked with the Lord?

    Here is a thought. One dies, goes to heaven and is sitting at the feet of Jesus. Does he then hear the Master say, "Well done my good and faithful servant," or is that passage in the context of at the return of the Lord?
     
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