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    New Birth before believing the Gospel is True ! Pt 2



    Yes, So Romans 3:10-18, those verses describe the unregenerate world of both jew and gentile, to deny or reject any of this is simply denying and rejecting God's Truth. Now if it's God's Testimony that Cornelius feared God, it is evident the God has wrought in him a New heart to fear Him. David prayed Ps 86:11

    Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.

    It [ A Heart that fears God] is a Covenant Blessing Jer 32:39-40

    And this was not Gospel Regeneration or synergism of any kind, because Cornelius had not yet heard nor believed the Gospel of his Salvation ! Now if by God's Word we have established that Cornelius was regenerate because he feared God, which man by nature cannot do, then our next proof of scripture states that it is to such that fear God, is this word of Salvation sent Acts 13:26

    26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

    The word of Salvation is sent by God to those who shall hear it ! Rom 10:13-15

    13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

    15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

    Acts 28:28

    Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

    That is, His Regenerated Sheep among them as per Jn 10:16

    16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
     
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    New Birth before believing the Gospel is True ! Pt 3



    So God sends the Gospel as a message of Salvation to those who are fearing Him through New Birth Acts 13:26

    26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

    Feareth God is in the present tense, those fearing God is the Gospel sent. Why ? It was sent to them that they should believe ! Acts 15:7

    7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

    Remember, Jesus has prayed for these already here Jn 17:20

    20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

    Note: When God sends the Gospel of Salvation to the heart that fears Him by New Birth, it is to them the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13

    13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    The fact that they are regenerated tells us why it is called the Gospel of their Salvation, because they are already in a saved state by New Birth Titus 3:5.

    Also note this, although a person as Cornelius is already Born Again and saved in that sense, yet in another real sense he was not saved until he believed the Gospel; of which there is a Gospel Salvation referenced here in Acts 11:13-14

    13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

    14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

    There is a Gospel Conversion Salvation, of those who are already saved by regeneration; So the saved shall be saved by the preaching of the Gospel to them, Paul's point in 1 Cor 1:21

    21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

    In other words, Believing the Truth is a salvation, from error and delusions !
     
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    sinners hear the Gospel, God commands them to repent and believe in jesus in order to get saved!

    per Apostles paul/peter/John!
     
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    Eph 1:13

    13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    "after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" !

    Now many of those who handle the word of God deceitfully, have hijacked this this scripture and forced it to say , that after one believes the Gospel, he is then born again of the spirit; however that is not what it says, it says that they were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise after they believed. The sealing here is a work the spirit does after believing, and it has more to do with authenticating, or certifying a thing. I believe it is the Spirit's work begun of witnessing to our spirits that we are the sons of God Rom 8:16

    The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

    Its that inner testification of the Spirit that Paul refers to here 1 Tim 2:6

    Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

    He confirms the Testimony of the Gospel in them as per 1 Cor 1:6

    Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

    So upon believing the True Gospel, its confirmed in us by the Sealing Ministry of the Spirit ! This is a spiritual sealing also designating us as an Heir, a Child of Promise Rom 8:16-17

    16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

    17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

    For remember, the Ephesians Believed or Trusted After they heard the Gospel of their Salvation, so it was already theirs or as Paul said yours, when they heard it Spiritually and is why they heard it Spiritually. So everyone believing on Christ through the Gospel, has the right to be called a Child of God, and Heir of God, and as a Heir received the seal of the covenant, circumcision, so does the Spiritual Child of the Covenant receive the seal of spiritual circumcision in the heart Rom 2:29

    29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
     
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    Eph 1:13

    13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    The word heard here is the greek word akouō:


    to be endowed with the faculty of hearing, not deaf

    2) to hear

    b) to attend to, consider what is or has been said

    c) to understand, perceive the sense of what is said

    3) to hear something

    a) to perceive by the ear what is announced in one's presence

    b) to get by hearing learn

    c) a thing comes to one's ears, to find out, learn

    d) to give ear to a teaching or a teacher

    e) to comprehend, to understand

    This is important, because we know those who are not born again cannot hear spiritually, by nature we are deaf to spiritual things.

    Also by nature we do not comprehend spiritual Truth, nor understand !

    Paul writes Rom 3:11

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    Also he writes in 1 Cor 2:14

    But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    Now this is important because the word receive here is the greek word dechomai and means:

    to receive favourably, give ear to, embrace, make one's own, approve, not to reject

    The natural man cannot give ear to spiritual things as to embrace them or not to reject them !

    Paul goes to write that neither can they know them ! This word know is the greek word ginōskō and does mean:


    to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of

    a) to understand

    So the Natural man has no ability to hear the Gospel spiritually as in Eph 1:13.

    So, if they did hear, as the verse plainly states they did, then we know that they had to be people who were not of nature and had to be already born again in order to Hear and Understand the Gospel, which is also confirmed by the teaching of Christ here Matt 13:23

    But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

    The good ground both hears the word and understands it ! Good Ground is a New Heart given in New Birth.

    So this exposes the false teachers who teach that Eph 1:13 is teaching New Birth after believing, its impossible, simply because if they had not been already born again, they could not hear [spiritually] or Understand spiritually, the word of Truth. I challenge anyone to prove this conclusion wrong !
     
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    the Holy Spiri ONLY indwells us once we have received Jesus by faith!
     
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    Who are the ones who hear ?



    Those who do hear spiritually the word of Truth are Christ's Sheep made spiritually alive, for it is promised they shall hear His voice, which the Gospel of Salvation is,m His Voice to them Jn 10:16

    16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    They are His Spiritual seed, by birth of His Spirit, which are born Heirs of an Inheritance 1 Pet 1:3-5

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

    5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

    And the sealing of the Holy Spirit, seals them Heirs as an Birth Right !

    Their believing the word of Truth was because of the Sanctification of the Spirit as Paul states here 2 Thess 2:13

    13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

    So those who spiritually heard the word of Truth in Eph 1:13, did so because of the Spirit's work of 2 Thess 2:13 !
     
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    you do realise that jesus was referencing jews and gentiles now BOTH of His flock, right?
     
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    Salvation was Given Us before the world began !



    2 Tim 1:8-10

    8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

    9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

    Paul here tells Timothy or rather reminds him that all whom are saved in time, that are saved by Grace through Faith, that they were given this Eternal Salvation in Christ before the World Began. For God had Purposed it, and gave us Grace in Christ before the world began in order to experience in time ! In other words the Grace that doth save the Elect in time Eph 2:5-8

    5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

    6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

    7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    That Grace here in Eph 2:8 was actually given to us in Christ 2 Tim 1:9 before the world began !

    Its the Grace of our Election in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6

    4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

    The same Grace as in 2 Tim 1:9

    This is the Gospel Paul encouraged Timothy to be partakers of the afflictions of the Gospel 2 Tim 1:8 !
     
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    In the preaching of The Mystery of the Gospel, it is imperative that one has an understanding of at least two major themes of Gospel Truth, the individual , Eternal and Unconditional Election of each member of the Election of Grace, a Spiritual Seed Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4. The second theme of Gospel Understanding is the absolute predestination of all things whatever comes to pass, for these themes of Doctrine are integrated together in the scriptures Rom 8:28-30,33

    28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. Purpose of Election Rom 9:11

    29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    30 Moreover, whom He predestined, those He also called; and whom He called, those He also justified; and whom He justified, those He also glorified.

    33 Who shall lay anything to the charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifieth.

    Eph 1:1-6

    Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

    2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ, even as

    4 He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

    5 having predestined us to be His own adopted children by Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will,

    6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in His Beloved:

    Yes, these are essential Truths of Paul's Gospel of God's Grace !

    Without an Spiritual Understanding of these things, and neglecting them in the Gospel, we preach another Gospel, one which belongs not to God !
     
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    Eph 3:6

    That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

    The Promises of the Gospel are absolute and unconditional, once we loose sight of this basic premise, we slip into a false gospel. Yes there were conditional Promises in scripture, but they were not the Gospel. The Gospel is a proclamation of Good News or Glad Tidings and has no conditions. To whom is it good news to ? To them that fear God Acts 13:26

    Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

    It is good news to all whom have been given spiritual ears to hear it so, Christ's regenerated sheep, who have been begotten again by His Resurrection from the dead 1 Pet 1:3, and it is to them that it is said that they shall hear His voice Jn 10:16 !

    This Gospel however ceases to be good news if conditions are put into place, it then reverts back to law, work principles, which are do this and live Deut 4:1;8:1, and if not, then threats are made ! Again this is not Gospel Preaching at all. It is not the Gospel if there are any conditions of obedience imposed before God would save us !
     
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    As long as a person or church yeaches that God calls us to repent and believe in chrsit in order to get saved!
     
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    For our gospel came not unto you in word only !



    1 Thess 1:5

    For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

    The Gospel in the providence of God is not always sent by God for the purpose of believing and be saved, for when that is God's design it comes not in word only, but also in power and in the Holy Ghost and in much assurance !

    That word power is the greek word dynamis and means:

    strength power, ability

    a) inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth

    b) power for performing miracles

    c) moral power and excellence of soul

    d) the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth

    e) power and resources arising from numbers

    f) power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts

    And it is the same word Paul uses here Rom 1:16

    16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    In other words, if one begins to become a believer of the Gospel, then it came to that one or ones with Power ! The believing is the result of the Power of God.

    Another way of saying it is like this 1 Thess 2:13

    For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

    Paul knows that the Gospel was effectually applied by the Spirit to all those who were receiving it as the word of God. Thats why Paul says " Thank we God without ceasing" Paul understood their believing and receiving the Gospel, was indicative of God's Power working in them !

    The word will come in Power to all those who have been appointed to Eternal Life Acts 13:48

    48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

    Also it would be wise to consider to whom Paul is speaking in 1 Thess 1:5 when He stated our gospel came to you not in word only ! It tells in vs 4 1 Thess 1:4

    4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

    Yes, the elect of God ! That is who God sends the Gospel not in word only, but in Power and in the Holy Ghost and to them with much assurance !

    All others, it comes to them in word only !
     
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    When did He Lay them ?



    Isa 53:6

    6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

    Those for whom Christ died, God did long before they believed, had laid their sins or iniquity upon Christ, this legally, Judicially, imputatively, and so the guilt of them and legal condemnation of them, first incurred in Adam, as their Natural and Federal Head, as well as their own actual transgressions in time, these were never laid upon them, or charged upon them, yes, even before they believed ! In God's Eternal Purpose, He never laid iniquity on the elect Christ died for, but He laid upon Him, the Inequity of us All, meaning All the Sheep Jn 10:11,15 !
     
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    If Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.



    1 Cor 15:17

    And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

    If Christ be not raised, ye are yet in your sins ! If Christ is raised, ye are not in your sins !

    You see,[God given] Faith has embraced the Truth that Christ's Sacrifice hath taken away one's sins, Jn 1:29 but if Christ be not risen, then that means that God did not discharge the sins of those He had laid upon Him as Per Isa 53:6

    All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

    The Lord caused to fall upon Him the Iniquity of all for whom He died !

    And in such a case, faith is useless or of no purpose !

    Now the false teachers hath perverted the sense of this Truth and would have it mean that faith is the condition man meets in order for the discharge of one's sins, but that is only a cheat from the Work of Christ which alone discharges the sins of those He died in behalf of, and that being the case the resurrection of Christ from the dead is a solemn testimony of that fact ! And so it is whenever the Gospel is preached and forgiveness of sins proclaimed, based upon His Work, His Name, God given Faith embraces the Truth of it, and that one then receives into their consciousness the forgiveness or discharge of them as Per Acts 26:18

    To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

    But if Christ be not risen, then faith is of no use to embrace such a Truth, and their discharge is a delusion !

    When it is said that the risen Christ gives Repentance and Remission of sins to Israel as Per Acts 5:31, it means He gives them the Knowledge of it, the Knowledge of the fact their sins are forgiven ! Lk 1:77

    77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
     
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    1 Timothy 3:15
    New International Version (NIV)
    15*if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.


    The catholic church which is Christ body as he said to Saul on the road to Demarcus is all our salvation

    Saul saul why are you persisting me
     
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    Believing the Gospel or Believing in Christ after hearing the Gospel is a consequence of being in a saved state, not believing the gospel after hearing it is a consequence of being in a lost state after hearing the word of God. The Phillipa Jailor was whose heart was good [saved state] so that when the seed of the Gospel was sown on it by the Apostle Acts 16:32, it bringeth forth fruit, as in his case the fruit of faith or believing Matt 13:23

    23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

    A Heart that Believes proves that it was not a condemned evil heart of unbelief ! But a New heart given in New Birth which is a Covenant Blessing !
     
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    Because of Covenantal obligations !



    Because of Covenantal obligations or engagements of the Everlasting Covenant or the Eternal Counsel set up before the world began; God the Father was engaged to lay the sins or iniquities of the Elect, not on them, but on Christ Their Surety and who was slain in that determinate Counsel before the foundation, oh yes Christ was engaged as Surety before the world was created, in fact, the world was created for that purpose ! This laying iniquity on Christ was an obligation as soon as he was bound to it by Covenant Stipulation or Agreement, even though it was determined in this agreement, that the actual Payment for those Iniquities would be for yet a while, in the fulness of time. God gave assent to this Covenant engagement in His determinate counsel and foreknowledge Acts 2:23

    23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    Yes, the foreknown of God as per Rom 11:2

    2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

    Which are the Elect 1 Pet 1:2

    2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

    Yes its True that even before they had any actual flesh and blood being in time, all their sins, iniquities, trespasses, were laid upon Christ before the world began by means Covenant Suretyship !
     
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    Covenant Grace Given !



    2 Tim 1:9

    9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    What about this Grace given us in Christ before the World began ?

    This Grace is the Grace of the Covenant of Grace, which Christ Jesus Our Mediator and Head and Surety made with The Father ever before the world was made, and in it Grace was given, which is all our Salvation ordered in all things and Sure as revealed to David 2 Sam 23:5. Its Grace in Our Election before Time, the Election of Grace Rom 11:5, the Grace in Our Justification Titus 3:7, and in time its Grace for Our Sanctification and Faith and Grace for our preservation unto Glory ! For this is preaching the Gospel of God's Grace, and holding nothing back. All this Grace is traced back to its source in God the Father giving it to us [If a True believer in time] in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9; Also it should not go without saying, that this grace given us before the foundation is not without the giving of Eternal Glory also Ps 84:11

    11 For the Lord God is a sun and shield: the Lord will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.


    Also:

    Its sent to certain People !



    Acts 13:26

    Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

    The Gospel as a word of Salvation is sent to a certain people, to those who fear God, in order that they may know of His Covenant Salvation, and so it was sent to Cornelius a gentile who feared God Acts 10:2,22,

    and so David makes this statement Ps 25:14

    14 The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant. Or Gospel

    This is but God making them to see of their own personal interest in the Everlasting Covenant made with Christ their Surety before the World began !

    He is but granting them in time of that Grace which was given them in Christ according to His Divine Purpose before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

    9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    God does not reveal the Gospel Mysteries to a heart that is at enmity with Him, which all are by nature, but only to those who have been given a heart of flesh or that fears Him which is by New Birth ! So again David relates Salvation to God's Covenant 2 Sam 23:5

    5 Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

    All who Truly believe on Jesus Christ unto Salvation can Truly say here what David says, revealed by the Gospel to Faith !
     
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