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"The Great Global Warming Swindle"

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by 2 Timothy2:1-4, Mar 5, 2007.

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  1. 2 Timothy2:1-4

    2 Timothy2:1-4 New Member

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    As do I but the socialists do not want that. that way they can hide their agenda. If you talk with them they always try to break it down to individual issues. But it is all related.
     
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    Socialism is a tool like any other to bring about the wants of those pushing it imho. It doesn't matter whether it's socialism, communism, capitalism or any other ism they all keep the 'stuff' as Ed calls it flowing out of our pockets and into the pockets of the uppercrust Malthusians, who have duped whole populations into believing that these isms really serve the common folks 'needs' when they do not. They only serve the wants of the 3 or 4 percent at the very top of the food chain.

    But yeah none of them want us to add it all up and get a glimpse of the big picture. Because then we may just see them all as the frauds they really are and always have been.

    I was just reading this Top Ten Global Warming Lies!
     
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  3. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    Claim 3: Warming is Melting The Arctic Glaciers and Greenland Ice Sheets and Raising Sea Levels.
    Fact A: Some have pointed to the melting and thinning of ice in the coastal areas of Greenland. However, opposite changes are occurring in the much larger interior ice sheet. A Norwegian-led team of scientists (9) studying an 11- year period (1992-2003) of Greenland ice sheet activity reports that "below 1500 meters, the elevation-change rate is -2.0 ± 0.9 cm/year, in qualitative agreement with reported thinning in the ice-sheet margins," but that "an increase of 6.4 ± 0.2 cm/year is found in the vast interior areas above 1500 meters." ​
    Spatially averaged over the bulk of the ice sheet, the net result is a mean increase of 5.4 ± 0.2 cm/year, "or ~6.0 cm over 11 years. ​
    The Greenland Ice Sheet has not been wasting away, but has been growing at a very respectable rate. This increase, like the one in Antarctic, is removing water from the oceans. ​
    One could scientifically dispute nearly every claim made by the extremists about ice sheets but the public never have the opportunity to hear it.





    http://www.trac.org.au/cgi-bin/test?page=/myths/top10.htm
     
  4. StraightAndNarrow

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    Notice what L's experts say in this article. Their theory is that global warming does not play a role in the hurricane cycle. That's NOT the same thing as saying that global warming doesn't exist. Comprende?
     
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    quotes are from here:

    http://www.trac.org.au/cgi-bin/test?page=/myths/top10.htm

    //Claim 1: Temperatures are Hotter and Rising Faster Than Ever Before.//

    Global Warming does NOT claim this.



    // Claim 6: There is No Other Explanation for Global Warming.//

    This isn't true.

    //Fact: This is False! There are three basic reasons why our climate gets warmer or cooler, Greenhouse effect, Solar activity and Celestial position and orbits. //

    This is probably correct.

    Right now we can do something about the Greenhouse effect
    (quit pumping so much Carbon Dioxide into the air).
    There is nothing we know that can be done about
    Solar activity and Celestial position and orbits.

    A correct claim of Global Warming is "the greenhouse effect
    is the only explination of Global Warming that we can do
    something about.
     
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    This is an excellent program. However, for once i'd like to see a presentation of both sides of the argument rather than one entitled "The Great Global Warming Swindle." That just doesn't give me a warm feeling that what is being presented is unbiased.
     
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    2 Timothy 2:1-4 (the poster):
    //One could scientifically dispute nearly every claim
    made by the extremists about ice sheets but the public
    never have the opportunity to hear it.//

    Nor would the public want to hear it :(

    Now if you could make that into a top
    'reality show' :)
     
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    An interesting graph that program displayed was that increases of CO2 in the atmosphere were preceded by increases in temperature.

    So historically warmer climates caused there to be more CO2 and not the way the enviromentalists teach today i.e. CO2 is the cause of climate change.

    In essence then, CO2 is a result and not a cause of climate change.
     
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    Global warming is not as settled among the left as the left would have you believe. Some of them are actually questioning Al Gore's scientific credentials!:

    (very long)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/science/13gore.html

    Gore exaggerate? No way, Rush Limbaugh must have told the NYT to say that.
     
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    Shouldn't the Global Warming/Climate Police have sought us out and silenced us by now? :thumbs:
     
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    Why do you assume they would not want to hear it?
     
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    They're already trying to equate GW deniers with holocaust deniers and pumping out propaganda in the form of movies and even programs on the weather channel. They don't need to silence us just demonize and marginalize us, you know like they try to do with 'conspiracy theorists' don't be surprised if you start being called that either. Or an earth hater...why do you hate the earth?

    This is the real agenda... Brown wants 'new world order' to fight global warming.

    Doesn't matter if it's global warming, the war on drugs, the war on terror, globalisation, the North American Union, open borders, UNESCO, left, right, or straight down the middle it all boils down to the elite wanting total control over of every aspect of our lives through a New World Order. But be of good cheer, you do have a 'choice' you can choose an Al Gore left wing socialist NWO or a George Bush right wing fascist NWO. Either way you're going to have one, unless you say no to both while there is still a chance to say anything at all.
     
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    Scary stuff.
     
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    Will they put those who question global warming in jail? Not here until our congress has sat on the 'hotseat' for awhile first.

    More laws and less freedom? Will the Fatherland, I mean Homeland Security be expanded to include rounding up questioning and detaining indefinately subversive global warming deniers and their 'terrorist cells'? Will they be held in secret prisons without due process? Tried in military tribunals as 'enemies of the state'? Renditioned to far off lands and tortured?

    Here's a global warming denier below, why does he hate the earth?

    The Weather Channel, "strip skeptics of their certifications".

    Greenpeace Global Warming FIeld Organizer wanted.

    Specific responsibilities include:

    NUREMBERG-STYLE TRIALS PROPOSED FOR GLOBAL WARMING SKEPTICS
    That's how the Global Warming/Climate Police work, mnw. They won't come and drag anyone away until later. After 'Project Hotseat' has congress "convinced", after the demonization, marginalization and propaganda campaigns have worked thier magic. After martial law has been declared and the constitution scrapped.

    How strongly do feel GW should be questioned? Are willing to put your job and good name on the line to question it? Or will you cave in to the pressure and go along to get along, or to just to be on the 'right side' or the 'winning side' of the issue? Do you really believe there is some hugh conspiracy involved in perpetuating a myth? Or will you be one of those laughing and calling GW 'deniers' names for believing so in the future?

     
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    That's interesting stuff poncho. Thanks for sharing.

    Some theologians/commentators believe the political climate generated by the Climate Change scare mongers will be used to set the stage for other political operations.

    So whether Climate change 'policing' or the pandora's box it opens gets abused, it seems difficult days could be ahead.
     
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    To me it looks as though anybody that dares to question the 'authorities' on any issue no matter which side the political fence they are on will be in for hard times in the near future.

    As the political climate of the "war on terror" and all the scaremongering that goes with it has been used to set the stage for other political operations it all leads to the same conclusion. A one world government, a big brother society and a global police state that's owned and controlled lock stock and barrel by a few global elite that think it's their destiny to rule the world and treat us all as nothing more than cattle. It's all about total control of everything.
     
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    True science is NOT political. Did Newton have political motives in mind when he stated his laws of motion? Was Einstein's E=MC2 a political statement? Only science which is funded by a political organization is political. That's not science at all but propaganda.
     
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    I agree. And GW is not true science which is evident from the political push for it and the viceral attempts to silence dissent on the issue. GW is propoganda. Having said that even true science is unreliable. It is much like computers. In six months any new technology is out of date. Pluto is a good example of that. Science works to prove hypothesis in order to create knowledge. Unfortunaltely it is so often done outside of and independent of scirpture.

    Le 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.It took scientists thousands of years after this was written to discover that the blood is the key to life. Science independent od scripture is a failure. Now scientists are looking through the vast universe to discover what is out there.

    Ps 19:1
    The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.When all we need to do to understand it all is look to scripture. Science void of scripture is a failure. Are there any global warming disasters spoken of in scripture? None. what we do see is famine, pestilence, earthquakes, volcanos, wars and rumors of wars. And this is spoken of in scripture. Everything the GW alarmists pin on GW was prophecied in scripture. These are the last days. We need to be prepared.
     
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    Check this out.

    SOURCE
     
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    If this were to pass it would effect American business in Europe. And Americans would likely pull out. It will hurt Europe financially.
     
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