For both you and Bob:
Here is an excerpt from: http://philologos.org/__eb-ttb/sect61.htm
"The two-horned mitre, which the Pope wears, when he sits on the high altar at Rome and receives the adoration of the Cardinals, is the very mitre worn by Dagon, the fish-god of the Philistines and Babylonians. There were two ways in which Dagon was anciently represented. The one was when he was depicted as half-man half-fish; the upper part being entirely human, the under part ending in the tail of a fish. The other was, when, to use the words of Layard, "the head of the fish formed a mitre above that of the man, while its scaly, fan-like tail fell as a cloak behind, leaving the human limbs and feet exposed." Of Dagon in this form Layard gives a representation in his last work, which is here represented to the reader (Fig. 48); and no one who examines his mitre, and compares it with the Pope's as given in Elliot's Horae, can doubt for a moment that from that, and no other source, has the pontifical mitre been derived. The gaping jaws of the fish surmounting the head of the man at Nineveh are the unmistakable counterpart of the horns of the Pope's mitre at Rome...."
Do a little more digging, 'Protestant'. It seems almost a pity to point out that that the mitre was originally almost flat, not pointed at all - &, Bob, that there is a difference between wearing a hat that looks vaguely like a fish's open jaws, & wearing an entire artificial fish-skin. The mitre is related to the academic cap - both are developments of a cap of Byzantine origin called in Latin camelaucum, which gave rise to the mitre, beret, & academic cap.
Dagon was in any case not a fish-god. The book this is taken from is 140 years old - it is badly out of date. Old books can be good for ideas, but not for archaeology; & this is a matter of interpreting archaeological data.
Again, the symbolism of the present day mitre is attached to pentecost when the flame of the Holy Spirit danced on their heads.
I remember when I was confirmed as a Catholic, the Bishop informed us that it also represents the bible by the way it folds, and the two tassels that hangs from the miter, representing the New Testament and the Old Testaments.
The Great Whore is Religious Rome
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by The Biblicist, Feb 11, 2014.
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Another Gospel
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
“Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”(Unam Sanctum, Bull of Pope Boniface 8)
“Faithfully adhering to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith ... we teach and define that it is a dogma divinely revealed that the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra, that is when in discharge of the office of pastor and teacher of all Christians, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine regarding faith and morals to be held by the universal Church, by the divine assistance promised him in Blessed Peter, is possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer willed that His Church should be endowed for defining doctrine regarding faith and morals; and that, therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiffs are irreformable of themselves, and not from the consent of the Church.”(First Vatican Council 1870) -
Eph. 5:32- Paul calls the Church a "mystery." This means that the significance of the Church as the kingdom of God in our midst cannot be understood by reason alone. Understanding the Church also requires faith. "Church" does not mean a local assembly of believers. That is not a mystery! Baptists on this site view church as mere local assembly, but not the supernatural mystery of Christ physically present among us. -
That is how the RCC makes saints, eh? Bless the killers, the murderers, those who have blood on their hands--a description of the Great Whore of Revelation 17! -
RCC teaches errors/heresies, so cannot be the true church jesus said he would establish!
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The assumption of Mary was never made official RCC doctrine until 1950.
The immaculate conception was never accepted by the RCC church until 1854.
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Those of us who believe the Bible and have it as our sole authority, our final authority of all faith and practice believe in a closed canon. It was closed when the Book of Revelation was written, with a warning and a curse to anyone who should add anything to it. There are 66 books to the Bible; no more no less. It is a closed canon.
The RCC believes it is an open canon--heresy. But so do the Mormons, the Charismatics, and almost all cults. You are in good company. The Mormons believe it is open so they can add the "Book of Mormon," as inspired. Charismatics (many of them) believe that the "words of prophecy" and sometimes "dreams and visions" they receive come directly from the Lord and are therefore inspired. It is an open canon.
You have the Pope and papal bulls--additional revelation.
You added the apocrypha--additional revelation.
Like the Charismatics and others the RCC has its own mystics who receive revelation from God. [FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Padre Pio, who regularly whipped himself, wassaid to have received revelation from God. He was a mystic. So was Francis of Assissi. Instead of confining revelation to the revealed Word of God, the RCC receives its revelation from outside the Word of God. It believes in an open canon. Historically we go back and see how its doctrine has changed has changed over the centuries.
If anyone cannot see how the RCC doctrine has not been changing over the centuries then they are blind to the truth.
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How could Luther have relegated the deuterocanonical books to an appendix if they hadn't already been accepted in the first place? The Gutenberg Bible was printed in 1454 -- and it included the deuterocanonical Books. How could the Church have "added" them at the Council of Trent that began 91 years later? I defy any Baptist on this board to find a Bible in existence before 1525 that looked like a modern Protestant Bible! That in itself speaks volumes!
Most Protestant Bibles included the deuterocanonical Books until about 1815, when the British and Foreign Bible Society discontinued the practice! And note that Jews in other parts of the world who weren't around to hear the Council of Jamnia's decision in A.D. 100 include to this day those "extra" 7 books in their canon. Do some research on the canon used by Ethiopian Jewry. -
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However, here are some reasons for rejecting the Old Testament Apocrypha from the Biblical Canon:
Why the Apocrypha Isn't in the Bible.
1. Not one of the apocryphal books is written in the Hebrew language (the Old Testament was written in Hebrew). All Apocryphal books are in Greek, except one which is extant only in Latin.
2. None of the apocryphal writers laid claim to inspiration.
3. The apocryphal books were never acknowledged as sacred scriptures by the Jews, custodians of the Hebrew scriptures (the apocrypha was written prior to the New Testament). In fact, the Jewish people rejected and destroyed the apocrypha after the overthow of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
4. The apocryphal books were not permitted among the sacred books during the first four centuries of the real Christian church (I'm certainly not talking about the Catholic religion. The Roman Catholic "Church" is not Christian).
5. The Apocrypha contains fabulous statements which not only contradict the "canonical" scriptures but themselves. For example, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in three different places.
6. The Apocrypha includes doctrines in variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection. The following verses are taken from the Apocrypha translation by Ronald Knox dated 1954:
Basis for the doctrine of purgatory:
2 Maccabees 12:43-45, 2.000 pieces of silver were sent to Jerusalem for a sin-offering...Whereupon he made reconciliation for the dead, that they might be delivered from sin.
Salvation by works:
Ecclesiasticus 3:30, Water will quench a flaming fire, and alms maketh atonement for sin.
Tobit 12:8-9, 17, It is better to give alms than to lay up gold; for alms doth deliver from death, and shall purge away all sin.
Magic:
Tobit 6:5-8, If the Devil, or an evil spirit troubles anyone, they can be driven away by making a smoke of the heart, liver, and gall of a fish...and the Devil will smell it, and flee away, and never come again anymore.
Mary was born sinless (immaculate conception):
Wisdom 8:19-20, And I was a witty child and had received a good soul. And whereas I was more good, I came to a body undefiled.
It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assasination and magical incantation.
No apocryphal book is referred to in the New Testament whereas the Old Testament is referred to hundreds of times.
Because of these and other reasons, the apocryphal books are only valuable as ancient documents illustrative of the manners, language, opinions and history of the East.
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Matt. 6:19-20 - Jesus' statement about laying up for yourselves treasure in heaven follows Sirach 29:11 - lay up your treasure.
Matt.. 7:12 - Jesus' golden rule "do unto others" is the converse of Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.
Matt. 7:16,20 - Jesus' statement "you will know them by their fruits" follows Sirach 27:6 - the fruit discloses the cultivation.
Matt. 9:36 - the people were "like sheep without a shepherd" is same as Judith 11:19 - sheep without a shepherd.
Matt. 11:25 - Jesus' description "Lord of heaven and earth" is the same as Tobit 7:18 - Lord of heaven and earth.
Matt. 12:42 - Jesus refers to the wisdom of Solomon which was recorded and made part of the deuterocanonical books.
Matt. 16:18 - Jesus' reference to the "power of death" and "gates of Hades" references Wisdom 16:13.
Matt. 22:25; Mark 12:20; Luke 20:29 - Gospel writers refer to the canonicity of Tobit 3:8 and 7:11 regarding the seven brothers.
Matt. 24:15 - the "desolating sacrilege" Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17.
Matt. 24:16 - let those "flee to the mountains" is taken from 1 Macc. 2:28.
Matt. 27:43 - if He is God's Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18.
Mark 4:5,16-17 - Jesus' description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15.
Mark 9:48 - description of hell where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched references Judith 16:17.
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And since most core doctrines and practices are heretical, erronous, how can that be the true church? -
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Most Protestant Bibles included the deuterocanonical Books until about 1815, when the British and Foreign Bible Society discontinued the practice! And note that Jews in other parts of the world who weren't around to hear the Council of Jamnia's decision in A.D. 100 include to this day those "extra" 7 books in their canon. Do some research on the canon used by Ethiopian Jewry. __________________ -
Despite Biblicist's avowals that the Deuterocanonicals, a/k/a Aprcrypha, were not used by the real Christian church in the first four centuries, they were in fact used. To be sure, there were some who questioned their authenticity, Jerome for example. However, that dispute was put to rest with the publication of the Vulgate and never arose again until the time of Luther. -
Idolatry permeates the very soul of Roman/Latin Catholicism, aka Mystery Babylon, whether it be
- Goddess worship (Virgin Mary)
- Crucifix worship (a dead man on a cross)
- worship of the Dead (via relics, bones, corpses and graven images)
- Papal worship
- Eucharist worship
Without her immutable idolatry she can no longer be called 'The Great Whore' and 'Mother of all harlots.'
Therefore, her idolatry will ever remain until the return of Christ in judgment, at which time Babylon Rome will be destroyed forever:
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The ‘seat’ of the Roman Catholic Church is the ‘City of 7 Hills.’
The Church of Rome has 7 sacraments.
Their sacraments are ‘mysteries.’
Middle English: from Old French sacrement, from Latin sacramentum ‘solemn oath’ (from sacrare ‘to hallow,’ from sacer ‘sacred’), used in Christian Latin as a translation of Greek mustērion ‘mystery.’
Their Church is Mystery Babylon.
The Latin Vulgate uses the noun ‘sacramentum’ in translating the Greek noun ‘musterion’ [‘mystery’] in the text of Rev. 17:7 ---
17:7 ”et dixit mihi angelus quare miraris ego tibi dicam sacramentum mulieris et bestiae quae portat eam quae habet capita septem et decem cornua.”
17:7 “And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.”
Today Mystery Babylon is no mystery.
Christians have known and preached this truth for well over 1,000 years.
Their Catholic enemies attest to this fact. -
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