There really is some confusion here. No Calvinist has said here or elsewhere than people do not have wills. We don't negate man's will at all. We simply believe that people do not have free will. That is unless you have completely inverted its meaning.
It is really something to observe how much the notion of "free-will" is loved and spoken about so much by non-Christians. Mormons, in their theological works extoll it as much as John Wesley or Charles Finney ever did.
I was rewatching that Nicolas Cage movie --City of Angels earlier today. One of the characters around the 53 minute mark said something to the effect that "free will was one of God's most precious gifts to mankind."
A lot of movies have it as a major theme. It's funny how a fictional construct has been prized by so many non-Christians.
Hannity was interviewing James Dobson a few years ago. And in just the last 30 seconds of the spot Hannity asks him :"What do you think of free will Dr. Dobson?"
The Heresy of Negating Man's Will
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by jonathan.borland, Feb 26, 2015.
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Please do not put a spin on what I meant. Jesus is 100% God, yes or no? Yes. Yet, Jesus stated this....--`And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known -- not even the messengers of the heavens -- except my Father only'(Matt. 24:36 YLT)
and here He also said....--'And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known -- not even the messengers who are in the heaven, not even the Son -- except the Father.'(Mark 13:32 YLT)
Jesus stated only the Father knows the hour. Does Jesus not know the hour now that He is on the right hand of the Father in heaven?
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steaver said: ↑Did you somehow miss the word "Christian" in my post? :wavey:Click to expand...
Now about the rest of the story?
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convicted1 said: ↑Please do not put a spin on what I meant. Jesus is 100% God, yes or no? Yes. Yet, Jesus stated this....--`And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known -- not even the messengers of the heavens -- except my Father only'(Matt. 24:36 YLT)
and here He also said....--'And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known -- not even the messengers who are in the heaven, not even the Son -- except the Father.'(Mark 13:32 YLT)
Jesus stated only the Father knows the hour. Does Jesus not know the hour now that He is on the right hand of the Father in heaven?
I just showed you that Jesus said that only the Father knows the hour in which He will close out time. Does Jesus not know the time it will end now that He is in heaven?Click to expand...
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporterconvicted1 said: ↑Please do not put a spin on what I meant.
That is what Steaver does Con 1....he just denied he does this in the other thread also.....that is why The Steaver is disqualified:thumbsup: Old habits die hard:thumbsup::wavey:Click to expand... -
Iconoclast said: ↑That is what Steaver does Con 1....he just denied he does this in the other thread also.....that is why The Steaver is disqualified:thumbsup: Old habits die hard:thumbsup::wavey:Click to expand...
I don't know about "old habits", but certainly personal pride dies hard indeed!!! :praying: -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supportersteaver said: ↑Really brother?? After all the back and forth on your TULIP comments and giving you days if not weeks to clarify? And you simply doubled and tripled down, even quadrupled down standing by your first comments quote for quote? And all others on here seen your post trying to defend it and NOBODY came to your side to support your claims??
I don't know about "old habits", but certainly personal pride dies hard indeed!!! :praying:Click to expand...
when I asked you to prove it you could not...that is what i remember:laugh::laugh: -
Iconoclast said: ↑I do not need anyone to come to my defense because I never said quote for quote what you said that I said
when I asked you to prove it you could not...that is what i remember:laugh::laugh:Click to expand...
At this point I could produce the quote for quote once again, but everyone by now has seen it at least a few times and even though you remain in denial we all know what you believe by what you have said and have defended. Can't waste anymore time on it.....it is between you and the Lord:wavey: -
OldRegular said: ↑Jesus Christ had to be speaking in His human nature. There is only One God and all three persons of the Trinity must be in perfect harmony at all times otherwise there would be what!!!!!!!!
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convicted1 said: ↑I agree. I was asking to show that the hypostatic union is a DEEP subject...Click to expand...
Of course you cannot objectively accept this because unless the rich young ruler is ONLY loved by Jesus through Jesus' humanity, then Calvinism falls....
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DHK said: ↑Please clarify yourself. If man has a will, then by definition it must be free enough to choose between good and evil or it is no will at all. What kind of will does man have if it cannot make a choice?Click to expand...
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