God gave to Moses what really happened, was and is inspired text, so why the need to harmonize?
The Historicity of Adam: how important?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Calminian, Jul 30, 2018.
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“Visions and revelations of the Lord” normally have to do with prophetic revelations of the future (as in Daniel, Ezekiel, Revelation, etc.). The direct dictation method of inspiration was used mainly for promulgation of specific laws and ordinances (as in the Ten Commandments, the Book of Leviticus, etc.). The Book of Genesis, however, is entirely in the form of narrative records of historical events. Biblical parallels to Genesis are found in such books as Kings, Chronicles, Acts, and so forth. In all of these, the writer either collected previous documents and edited them (e.g., I and II Kings, I and II Chronicles), or else recorded the events which he had either seen himself or had ascertained from others who were witnesses (e.g., Luke, Acts). -
"These are seven twenty-four-hour days. This has always been the best reading of the Hebrew text. Those who have tried to alleviate the tension for the age of the earth commonly suggested that the days should be understood as long eras (the day-age view). This has never been convincing" Walton, LWOG1 p. 90
"When we identify Adam and Eve as historical figures, we mean that they are real people involved in real events in a real past. They are not inherently mythological or legendary, though their roles may contribute to them being treated that way in some of the reception history. Likewise they are not fictional" Walton, LWOA&E, p. 101
“If Genesis 1 is not an account of material origins, then it offers no mechanism for material origins, and we may safely look to science to consider what it suggests for such mechanisms. We may find the theories proposed by scientists to be convincing or not, but we cannot on the basis of Genesis 1 object to any mechanism they offer.” Walton, The Lost World of Genesis One. p 162
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I'm using the word allegory in the way the OP said that the man in question used it.
Opposite of literal.
Possibly fictitious.
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I mean, secular academics don't bat an eye at Greek, Norse, or Frankish bards (or an ἀοιδός) memorizing and accurately transmitting reams of information. -
And his books certainly do not teach you what you have been taught all your life. ... but that’s what learning is all about.
Walton makes a strong biblical case for what the Bible tells us about creation and relates how other biblical authors use Adam’s life to tell us about God’s plan for mankind.
Nuff said, read the books!
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Without a real historical Adam and Eve Christianity comes unraveled.
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More importantly, as everyone has said, if there is no first Adam, why do we need a last Adam? Is Jesus a liar, a lunatic, or the Lord?
Finally, I think that Adam wrote a book that came to Noah and then to Moses. Noah has been underestimated and Adam had to have been the smartest man because some of his sons have been wise, such as Solomon and John the Baptist. -
allegory is harder to challenge as it depends what form this allegory takes place. 1. The story of Adam and Eve is a metaphor ( didn't exist) 2. Adam and Eve existed but were leaders/King and Queen of a tribe( often dismisses other elements of the story. 3. many more -
So, where, exactly, can we have assurance that Christ is relating things that are so, and where He is relating things that are not so? -
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