Again, when were you justified before God and made a new creation in Christ?
was it in the womb, baby or?
Born in a state of sinless perfection?
The Just shall live by Faith !
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by savedbymercy, Apr 26, 2012.
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business, employment, that which any one is occupied
that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work
Now when you from scripture can show where believing is not an act of man or a deed of man or a thing done by man, or where it is not accomplished by the mind of man
Then you have proven that believing is not a work of man ! -
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Justifying faith is not of works but of grace - Rom. 4:1-6; 16; Eph. 2:8-10
Justifying faith is coming to Christ but coming is the work of God drawing - Jn. 6:64-65 and thus it is a GIFT of God "given him of my Father" - Jn. 6:65
You don't know the Biblical distinction between justifying faith and faithfulness any more than you know the Biblical difference between Purpose and fulfillment - "I have purposed it, I WILL DO it." -
But that is not saying they are born in sinless perfection ! The Elect are born sinners like other men, they are Just Justified before God by Christ's Righteousness when they are born sinners.
The Death of Christ, hath before God's law and Justice, Hath Perfected them forever Heb 10:14, being born a sinner does not change that ! -
The Just shall live by Faith ! This is a Promise that everyone Christ died for, who He Justified by His Death alone, shall Live by Faith ! No one Christ died for shall remain in unbelief, its impossible if indeed the Just SHALL live by Faith !
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Neither text refers to the eternity past or to the cross but to the gospel message of what Christ did on the cross to be received by faith which justifies the believer before God thus obtaining peace with God at the moment of faith in the gospel.
No honest exegete could fail to see that Romans 1:15-17 is about the gospel, preaching the gospel and what faith in the gospel obtains for the believer. No honest exeget could fail to see that the entire book of Galatians is about justification by grace through faith in the gospel as this is the very subject introduced in Galatians 1:6-8 and again repeated in Galatians 3:1-8 just previous to the disputed text in Galatains 3:10-12.
You advertise your ignorance of scripture and you mishandle and distort the word of God to suite your own belly. -
They were In Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
God never charged the Elect with their condemnation, He charged it to Christ instead ! -
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No faith in jesus, no salvation!
faith is what God requires in order to have us access His grace and then we are saved! -
Those who Christ died for are Justified before God, the Resurrection is proof of it Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. -
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You jerk scripture out of its context and fabricate a doctrine out of your own imagination. Place this text back into its context and it makes you a deceiver and a perverter of scripture.
Rom. 4:23 ¶ Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Both positive and negative Imputation has been defined as justification in verses 5-8; Righteousness imputed by faith and sin not imputed = justification
Hence, imputation/justification is CONDITIONED upon "IF we believe upon him" - v. 24
Imputation/justification FUTURE TENSE from faith "SHALL BE" imputed to us - v. 24
Justification is by faith - 5:1
The words "for our justification" tell us the PURPOSE of his resurrection not that it accomplished the justification as that would contradict the text before and after this text. -
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25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ ! -
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Again, all those Christ died for[was delivered for their offences] they were declared Justified before God by His Resurrection Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ ! -
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The difference between truth and error in regard to intepreting any verse in scripture is that the true interpretation ALWAYS harmonizes with the context it is found in. Your interpretation CONTRADICTS the immediate context.
You RUN, JUMP and PIT because you are a false teacher who perverts the Word of God to suit your own ungodly belly! -
No I bring to light Truth within the context, Again, all those Christ died for[was delivered for their offences] they were declared Justified before God by His Resurrection Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ ! -
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The verses before and after prove that "for" refers only to the purpose of the resurrection but not to its accomplishment - in order that we might be justified or as the verse before it says "SHALL BE" imputed IF we believe on him. Or as the verse that follows it talks about "BEING" justified "BY faith."
The context proves that my interpetation of "for" is correct and yours is wrong! -
25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.
You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ !
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