Good answer.
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The Meaning of 'World' in John 3:16
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Martin Marprelate, Oct 30, 2016.
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If they read Isaiah, Malachi, Pentateuch, Joshua...they would get some sort of understanding that "The Nations"/heathens/Isles would partake in the Glory of God through the Holy One's work/Ministry.
Now, i cannot say whether or not they took the scriptures literally/Seriously. But i would say, if they did, they would understand that the *World* would mean all nations because the Old Testament declares those truths. Just my humble opinion. -
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εἰς τοῦτο γὰρ καὶ κοπιῶμεν καὶ ἀγωνιζόμεθα, ὅτι ἠλπίκαμεν ἐπὶ Θεῷ ζῶντι, ὅς ἐστι σωτὴρ πάντων ἀνθρώπων, μάλιστα πιστῶν.
For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we have set our trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. WEB
For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. EMTV -
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9 and when they perceived the grace that was given unto me, James and Cephas and John, they who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship, that we should go unto the Gentiles, and they unto the circumcision; Gal 2
15 But when it was the good pleasure of God, who separated me, even from my mother`s womb, and called me through his grace,
16 to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the Gentiles; straightway I conferred not with flesh and blood: Gal 1 -
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. Jn 16
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I meant that you put in in Standard English with an explanation and illustration giving the impression that the raw KJV Jacobean-Elizabethan English is/was just as clear as your Standard English equivalent translation.
Not so, IMO.
Maybe not so in the Greek either IMO (μάλιστα), but I will bow to your superior knowledge (in this case :) ).
You did quote the Greek but few there be that can read it.
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You're not bad Hank. You're a good soul.
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John 1
11He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
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22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
My question kind of centers around these 2 verses.
Those who receive him and believe in his name are given right to become children of God.
Wasn't the right given PRIOR to receiving and believing?
Born again by the word of God. Wouldn't totally depraved lack the ability to comprehend the word of GOD?
Why is scripture saying we are born again by the word of God rather then, we are born again, regenerated then we comprehend scripture.
I don't agree with the Calvinist position or at least my possible misrepresented version of it. But a lot of the non-Calvinist positions I've read sound like they ought to be Calvinist if they actually believe what they say they believe.
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Today modern day Pharisees at the same goal and service of the Devil. Looking for every reason to tell someone they can't go to heaven.
Matthew 23
13“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people;
Today the Pharisees call themselves clean while everyone else is dirty.
25“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence. 26“You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also.
They'll even tell you they can't clean the inside, even though Christ commands it.
Matthew 7
4“Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5“You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
The Pharisees position is what Jesus says is false. You can't take log out of your own eye and you can't take speck out of your brothers.
The only thing that can do is have the chosen status. You keep the Log, License to sin.
Now you can love God and Neighbor, but that gentile cannot, not the pagans, nor can those Samaritans. Only YOU Pharisees can love God and neighbor.
Only you can do TRUE GOOD not like Jesus who does GOOD things in demon's motives.
This is the exact same argument being thrown in this thread:
Matthew 12
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”
25And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26“If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
In other words they are saying, If your not chosen or one of us everything GOOD you do have the Devil for its origin not God.
A Pharisees say when I do a good act its truly good. It has God for its motivation. But when you do good it has Beelzebul for motivation.
Folks, Jesus was told same thing. Did he say well look, hold on im born again with a bigger status then you have? No.
His comeback was KEEPING the wrongly condemned status and still doing good:
25And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26“If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
How does Jesus justify his own acts? He could have said... I am chosen, I am the Christ, I am God.
NONE of those. In fact he takes the Diabolical status:
27“If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
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