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The Monergist View of the Human Will

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed, Oct 1, 2018.

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  1. canadyjd

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    Do you see faith as a gift of God that is, nevertheless, something people choose to exercise?
     
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    I see it as a gift from God towards His own to be saved, not faith given to all sinners!
     
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    Ok, but that wasn't my question, but I will rephrase. Do you believe in the necessity of "His own" responding to His intervention, gospel presentation, and the given faith by exercising faith in Jesus?
     
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    It will help to know what your point is before continuing with the 20 questions exercise.
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    Are you asking must a person believe in Jesus in order to get saved?
     
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    The thread you mention is probably a disaster but it was urgent to the confront the errors and the thread is correct. Your posts agree with Luther and like his arguments include action as part of Free Will .
     
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    Making choices is not Free Will but results and proof of the existence of Free Will, the desire to make choices. The inability to know options or make decisions does not mean there is not Free Will. Inaction may be from lack of options not desires. Free Will is not inability of save ourselves.

    Calvinists cannot accept Free Will , it is contradictory as proof consider the vitriol on these types of threads.
     
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    If God wants you to spend eternity with Him, you will. The Holy Spirit will conform your will to His.

    As an aside, RCC doctrine does not comport with anything that has been said. Their position on salvation is contained exclusively in the act of baptism. When an individual is baptized with wholly water, they are born-again are thereby a child of God.
     
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    Any agreement with Luther or another author is only relevant to the degree it supports the biblical position. This thread is meant to posit the Monergist position. Monergists believe the human will of the unregenerate person is in bondage (slavery) to sin. The will is not free by the very nature of it being in bondage. The will of the Christian is free from the bondage of sin, but it still serves another master. Romans 6:17-18 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
     
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    The only vitriol that will appear in this thread is the vitriol you bring with you. If you do, I will just add you to my ever-growing block list. I have zero-tolerance for drama queens. You can post into the ether as far as I am concerned. The choice is yours.

    As far as free will goes, it is a false soteriological concept. Can the words "free" and "will" be used together in the same sentence? Sure. Do Mongerists believe that regenerate persons choose Christ freely? Absolutely. They choose freely once their will has been released from the bondage of sin. Prior to that release, the will of the sinner is incapable of belief (Rom. 8:7). Once the Holy Spirit illumines and regenerates a person, that person will always choose Christ, each and every time. The only people the Holy Spirit illumines and regenerates are the Elect. Those people who reject Christ do so because they have never been illumined or regenerated and still have a will that is in bondage to sin.
     
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    Wesley, I am going to agree with your statement 100%. Jesus said:

    John 6:35-40 35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

    Verse 37 says "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me". The Father gives the Elect to the Son. The Holy Spirit accomplishes this by the proclamation of the Gospel and through regeneration. So, yes, if you are are one of God's elect, you will spend eternity with Him.
     
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    We do not accept that fallen/sinful man can freely choosr to make the decision to accept Jesus by Himself!
     
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    We reject that sinful natured humans can make any decision outside the restraints placed internally on them by the sin nature itself!
     
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    Nope, he needs to hear the gospel
     
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    We are all either slaves to our base bature, or alive and now slaves to Christ, many here on free will seem to want to have a miidle position, where in bondgae , but not enough to be a slave to sin!
     
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    Unless the Lord gives to that man the ears to hear and the mind/heart to resond, will be deaf/dumb and blind to it!
     
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    Scripture says faith vomes from hearing the gospel. It also says the power to believe and be saved comes from the gospel
     
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    Yes, as that is the ordained agent the Lord uses to have His elect come to faith now in Christ!
     
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    You attack in the first sentence. of this thread. Then repeated the same errors in the thread you attacked. ???????
     
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    There is no middle position. Humanity is never free in the manner in which Synergists think. That does not mean we do not choose freely, but there is a categorical difference between freedom of choice and the concept of free will. Those things are not the same.
     
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