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The Mystery of the Gospel of Jesus Christ

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Darrell C, Feb 3, 2018.

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  1. Darrell C

    Darrell C Well-Known Member
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    Just so everyone knows...I am not responding to this member.


    Its a false argument and is just reiteration of confusion on the part of this member concerning the imputation of righteousness.

    Apparently he believes we are "made righteous" in a practical sense, but then, his posts are often so vague I am not sure anyone knows what it is he is trying to say.


    As well as the New, for we do not see the Mystery of the Gospel revealed until the Comforter is sent.

    Now if by "Old Testament" this member means the Ages preceding this one, the Age of Grace, then he would be correct. But again, too vague to know.


    The Gospel was presented clearly in the Old Testament, Isaiah 53 being a good example, however, what was lacking was the enlightenment of God in regards to the knowledge of Christ. All spiritual knowledge is revealed by God to man, there is no other means by which men can understand anything spiritual.


    No need to impose Systematic Theology, the very doctrines of man this member complains about above...into the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Here is the Gospel:


    1 Corinthians 15
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:



    Here is the Gospel as delivered by Christ:


    Matthew 16
    King James Version (KJV)

    21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.



    No man or woman needs to know they were chosen to be saved through Christ.


    Incorrect: the Gospel reveals through the power of the Holy Spirit that we can be made righteous through the Blood of Christ.

    And that is a positional standing before God when we are saved. Born again believers will still fall short of the glory of God and sin.

    It is man's doctrine that breaks the Gospel into "parts," so it is not surprising when we see such fractured Soteriology.


    On the contrary, no part of the Gospel was revealed in the Old Testament, that is the point of Paul's teaching.

    A "Mystery" is an unrevealed truth, and when it is revealed, it revealed to the "initiated." Meaning...only the Church has had the Mystery revealed to them.

    This is a personal revelation from God directly to the heart of the believer, and this revelation takes place through the ministry of the Comforter.

    Again, I wasn't responding to this member, so please, don't tell him I did.

    ;)


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  2. Darrell C

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    Sorry, no. All who were ever saved were redeemed by the Cross, which, when they lived and died...they knew nothing about.

    So bring me your Scripture, Yeshua1, that supports your pulpit theology.


    Are you a Catholic? They too like to preach men are saved by the Cross...and something else.

    Here you are teaching that men are saved by the Cross and their faith.

    That is pulpit theology: Men are saved by faith through grace.


    Paul would disagree with you.

    No man was privy to the Mystery, no, not one.


    That is correct. And if you reread the thread you will find more than enough Scriptural Support to show why your Christ Plus theology is in error.


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    Before I respond to this post, which I will do immediately after I post this one, I wanted to ask you to respond to the points already made.

    And my friend, I think you might want to be careful about talking about someone being embarrassed. Here you are, and I am assuming a man in ministry, and it seems you have missed some pretty basic knowledge in Scripture.

    Now that is what I call embarrassing.


    God bless.
     
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    Paul mentioned that there was still in Him the principle of Sin after saved, and that the old nature was at war in his members, in the flesh, and that he relied upon the Holy Spirit to enable him to overcome that
     
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    Well, let's take a look at Scripture, then you can tell me just how "weird" it is, lol.

    We will start with the first reference of the Mystery that gives us understanding of it:


    Romans 16:25-26
    King James Version (KJV)

    25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

    26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:



    We see here...

    1. The revelation of the Mystery;
    2. The mystery was kept secret since the world began;
    3. The Mystery is now made manifest;
    4. The Mystery is no made manifest to all Nations.

    All means all. It doesn't say "...made known to all nations except Israel."

    Now, this is the first passage that I give to support my position, so explain why the Mystery was not kept secret since the world began, and then we can look at some more of Paul's teaching.


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    All sinners are saved by Grace alone, received thru faith alone, but the basis, the grounds of God saving anyone has always been the Cross and atonement of Christ!
     
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    Why did Paul call it an old nature. What was old about it?
     
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    I never said it wasn't kept a secret
     
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    You can tell me after you actually understand the Mystery of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I can only assume that it is.



    Not a Boom! lol, more like a dud.

    Let's look at your limited proof-texting a little closer:


    Ephesians 3
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

    2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

    3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

    4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

    5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

    6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:



    Don't feel bad, you are among the majority who also limit the Mystery to Gentile Inclusion, despite the fact that he makes a very simple statement, that the Mystery of Christ was not made known in other Ages to the sons of men, which, by the way...speaks of all men. Secondly, it is now revealed to His holy Apostles and Prophets.

    You have got your work cut out for you. Its going to be very difficult for you to convince anyone that you are right and Paul is mistaken.


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    The nature that he was born with....
     
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    You did. You just don't understand that is what you are teaching.

    How embarrassing.

    ;)


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    lol

    We haven't even scratched the surface, and here you are claiming victory because you post one proof text and do not even understand its' broader context.


    Now you have to back-pedal, because your mind is already telling you, "Wait a minute, something's not right here."

    I can tell you what is not right, what is not right is that you cannot impose an understanding of Christ into even His Own Disciples, much less men like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, or David.

    You think the woman at the well understood that Christ would die for her?

    Let's look at the "belief of the Disciples for a minute. And I will show you another passage you have probably read many times, and again, missed a very basic truth:


    Mark 16:9-14
    King James Version (KJV)

    9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

    10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.

    11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

    12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

    13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

    14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.



    It's right there in the text: the disciples did not believe the Lord had risen from the grave, as He told them He would.

    Now, let me throw at you something to consider: if you think men like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and David could be "saved" because they sat in expectation of Messiah, then guess who else you are also going to have to say is saved?

    Every Jew who rejects Jesus Christ yet is awaiting Messiah's coming.

    Do you believe that they are?


    Go for it, if you think it is relevant, after having been given the fuller context which shows the Mystery of Christ was not revealed in past Ages to the sons of men.


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    If you don't mind, I would appreciate if you would work out your theology in another thread.

    You give the impression that you are always guessing as to whether what you say is right or not.

    If you want to talk about the topic of this thread, feel free to do so.


    God bless.
     
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    As I said, you did:

    Well?

    Start explaining.

    Address the posts.


    God bless.
     
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    If you read the thread the need for guesswork will diminish tremendously, I promise you.

    While there are several mysteries revealed by Paul, there is only one Mystery of the Gospel of Christ.

    To name a few, one is the Rapture. Another is that Israel would be blinded.

    But the Mystery of Christ is exclusive to the Gospel and the results of Salvation, which, extends to the indwelling of God in the believer:


    Colossians 1:23-27
    King James Version (KJV)

    23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

    24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

    25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

    26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

    27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:



    Most theologians limit the Gospel to Gentile Inclusion, the problem being that if we do that, then we create the unbiblical necessity that Israel had already been in the process of Reconciliation, and we know that is not true for numerous irrefutable reasons. Here are a few to consider:

    1. Both Jew and Gentile are made one in Christ, and that began post-Cross;
    2. No Jew, even the Disciples of Christ...had the eternal indwelling of God (John 14 makes that clear, as the Lord Prophesies of it occurring after He returns to Heaven);
    3. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself, which negates the possibility it took place prior.


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    Is there any other grounds that saves any sinner apart from the atoning work of Jesus upon the Cross though?
     
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    Again? Who said He was?

    The title of the Thread is "The Mystery of the Gospel of Jesus Christ," not the Mystery of the Messiah."


    Doesn't change the fact that the Gospel of Christ was a Mystery not revealed to men in Past Ages:


    Colossians 1:23-27
    King James Version (KJV)


    25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

    26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

    27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:




    Something was hidden from the Law?

    Not so. The Law clearly presents Christ and what we need to understand is that while we can look back and place that into a proper context, the Old Testament Saint could not look forward and do so.

    That is why the disciples of Christ were still unbelievers both before and after His Resurrection.


    The reason no-one knew there would be a Church is because they did not understand what the Gospel would entail.


    It is relevant, but the Mystery of the Gospel of Christ concerns all that is relevant. Beginning first with the death, burial, and Resurrection of Christ, and then extended to the results, which includes Atonement, Reconciliation, Eternal union with God through eternal indwelling, glorification, and everlasting communion with God in the Eternal State.

    Continued...
     
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    According to you there is...faith.

    We are saved by grace through faith, not saved by grace and faith.

    Go and learn what that meaneth.


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    Perhaps you should study the subject before presenting theories.

    The Gospel was THE Mystery.


    Again, you need to study before publicly posting.

    I have given numerous texts showing precisely what you call...false.

    Here is another one:


    1 Corinthians 1:21-24
    King James Version (KJV)

    21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

    22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

    23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

    24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.




    1 Corinthians 2
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

    2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

    3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

    4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

    5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

    6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

    7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

    8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

    9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.



    You are in fact calling the teaching of Scripture false.

    The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


    Continued...
     
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    KJV John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
     
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