Also the term 'Natural 'is not a negative term .like here in Rom 1.
26¶For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the NATURAL
use into that which is against nature
27And likewise also the men, leaving the NATURAL
use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet
So, there is no such thing as a carnal Christian in the sense of them having a mind that is at enmity with ( opposed to ) God.
As for actions ( fornication, ( 1 Corinthians 5 ) in-fighting, taking their fellow brothers and sisters to law ( 1 Corinthians 6 ), drunkenness, divisions ( 1 Corinthians 11 )sniping at one another, etc ), believers can and do act as other men for a time...
Yes obviously, while we are still in a physical body, the motions of sin can still cause us to sin. That is why we are commanded to mortify these sinful impulses.
These messages lay it out clearly refuting all who have offered error in its place.
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For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spiritdo mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." ( Romans 8:13-14 ).
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Believers have this problem...
It's called the flesh, and its strength is amazing.
John Owen wrote in The Mortification of Sin, "Be killing sin or it will be killing you".
I do not believe many churches view sin as dangerous as it is.
Sometimes it seems it is expected that Christians turn to the flesh.
Scripture presents it as an exception to the normal life of the believer.
We do sin, but we should be crushed by our sin and repent.
Repentance is a well worn path for the Christian - not a one time event. And repentance is a change, not just feeling sorry.
In this way we move from glory to glory, becoming more and more conformed into the image of Christ.
We repent and God continues forgives and then we find our next struggle.
I believe this is not taught as strongly as it should be.
The above Aduio is making the classic case ( recently Paul washer has also made ) about ' the carnal Christian being a myth . That's not my point . My point is on the ' natural man ' and I'm saying there is only two types Paul has in focus in chapters 2 and 3 . The mature and non mature believer.
He's addressing belivers . I'm saying the term natural and Carnal are the same type essentially.
I make another point on calvernism where they will use this verse as a proof text to say a lost person cannot understand or believe the Gospel.
This is how some use this verse . My point is Paul is simply talking about why they are having
I can agree that Paul is addressing in response to chloe s letter that the reason they have divisions ' I'm
of Apollos ' I'm
of Paul ' im
of John Calvin, I'm of Augustine was because they had not yet matured . its all about them not growing .
Calvernists breeze into 1 cor chapters 2and 3 and use one verse out of context to use as a proof text ( 2.15 ) to say that unbelievers cannot believe the Gospel .
Archangel gave a thorough answer to this in post #32.
Do you understand the use of a simile?
Read post 32, listen to the 3 messages and any question will vanish.
Unfortunately, the translators chose to translate two different Greek words into the same English word (natural) obliterating the inspired distinction provided in Greek.
In your verse above, the idea is to use our reproductive system as designed, i.e. the natural function, as opposed to using our reproductive system in an unnatural way, i.e. not as intended for reproduction.
G5591 - psychikos is found at 1 Corinthians 2:14, but G5446 -physikos is found at Romans 1:26.
This is why consistent translation of word meanings using unique English words or phrases is important.
No.
". . . But we have the mind of Christ.
And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. . . ."
The "we" who share in having the mind of Christ, 1 Corinthians 2:16, are the "I,"
the Aoostle Paul and the "brethren"
who Paul calls carnal in 1 Corinthians 3:1-2.