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Featured The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Rippon2, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. Rippon2

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    Continuing with Job

    32:13
    ESV : God may vanquish him, not a man
    NIV : let God, not a man, refute him

    33:7
    ESV : my pressure will not be heavy upon you
    NIV : nor should my hand be heavy on

    33:10
    ESV : he finds occasions against me
    NIV : God has found fault with me

    33:25
    ESV : let his flesh become fresh with youth
    NIV : let their flesh be renewed like a child's
    [The ESV wording would make someone tongue-tied

    33:30
    ESV : that he might be lighted with the light of life
    NIV : that the light of life may shine on them
     
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    Question for you @Rippon2 . How much of this comes down to individual preference? My daily reader is the NASB. When I do serious study I look at the Greek and various English translations. But in the morning and evening, when I read the Word for personal devotions, the NASB is in my hand. I understand you are a fan of the NIV. Some are fans of the KJV, NKJV, or the ESV. I do not participate in many of the Translation War threads because they do not interest me. So again, how much of this is all about individual preference?
     
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    The title of this forum is "Comparing and Contrasting Bible Versions and Translations." I think I have done more of that in this forum than anyone else. The ESV has a great deal of awkward and unnatural English. In contrast the NIV is plainer. It's not a matter of the ESV being more faithful to the originals because its English is contorted, it's just that the revisers did not do a thorough job. The ESV needs some competent English stylists. Currently, it's like going through the underbrush. Many passages could be rendered in straightforward English. The same thing applies to the NKJV. The NASB is a bit better.
     
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    Job

    34:12
    ESV : Of a truth, God will not do wickedly
    NIV : It is unthinkable that God would do wrong

    34:36
    ESV : Would that Job were tried to the end
    NIV : Oh, that Job might be tested to the upmost

    35:8
    ESV : Your wickedness concerns a man like yourself,
    and your righteousness a son of man.
    NIV : Your wickedness only affects humans like yourself,
    and your righteousness only other people.

    35:9
    ESV : they call for help because of the arm of the mighty
    NIV : they plead for relief rom the arm of the powerful
     
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    Please do not misunderstand me. I understand your right to compare and contrast Bible versions. That is fine. I guess this is one area that has always puzzled me. I have my reasons for preferring the NASB to any other English translation. But hey, I do not want to derail your thread so I will leave you to it. Peace.
     
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    Job

    36:16
    ESV : what was set on your table was full of fatness
    NIV : the comfort of your table laden with choice food

    36:18
    ESV : let not the greatness of the ransom turn you aside
    NIV : do not let a large bribe turn you aside

    36:20
    ESV : when peoples vanish in their place
    NIV : to drag people away from their homes

    36:26
    ESV : God is great and we know him not
    NIV : How great is God --beyond our understanding

    36:33
    ESV : the cattle also declare that he rises
    NIV : even the cattle make known its approach
     
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    if you get though too much into a functional translation, it can tend to lose the intended original meaning to the reader!
     
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    Think that comes down to which one views as being more important, readability or accuracy to the originals?
     
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    One element should not be sacrificed for the other. It's a balancing act. But if a translation has too much biblish in it, readability is compromised. The meaning should be transferred as much as possible; the form is secondary.
     
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    The esv is a more conservation translation then the Niv 2011, correct? As both seek to get to good readability and accuracy!
     
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    How do you define conservative? Does the NIV use more inclusive language than the ESV? Yes. Does that alone mean that the ESV is more conservative than the NIV? No.
    The ESV fails with respect to readability as I have demonstrated on a plethora of threads. When it comes to accuracy opinions may vary, but I think the NIV stands up well to scrutiny on that matter.

    ALERT: Please refrain from using exclamation marks. It's tiresome. I have told you numerous times, and so have others. Follow the advice.
     
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    Job

    37:16
    ESV : Do you know the balancing of the clouds
    NIV : Do you know how the clouds hang poised

    37:17
    ESV : you whose garments are hot
    NIV : You who swelter in your clothes

    38:9
    ESV : thick darkness its swaddling band
    NIV : wrapped it in thick darkness

    38:33
    ESV : Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
    NIV Do you know the laws of the heavens?

    38:38
    ESV : when the dust runs into a mass
    NIV : when the dust becomes hard

    39:5
    ESV : Who has loosed the bonds of the swift donkey
    NIV : Who untied its ropes?

    39:7
    ESV : he hears not the shouts of the driver
    NIV : it does not hear the driver's shout
     
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    Concluding Job :

    40:8
    ESV :Will you even put me in the wrong?
    NIV : Would you discredit my justice?

    40:19
    ESV : the first of the works of God
    NIV : It ranks first among the works of God

    41:9
    ESV : the hope of a man is false
    NIV : Any hope of subduing it is false

    41:33
    ESV : On earth there is not his like
    NIV : Nothing on earth is his equal
     
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    Proverbs

    1:3
    ESV : in wise dealing
    NIV : in prudent behavior

    1:14
    ESV : we will all have one purse
    NIV : we will all share the loot

    1:32
    ESV : For the simple are killed by their turning away
    NIV : For the waywardness of the simple will kill them

    2:8
    ESV : guarding the paths of justice
    NIV : for he guards the course of the just

    3:7
    ESV : Be not wise
    NIV : Do not be wise

    3:8
    ESV : It will be healing to your flesh
    NIV : This will be health to your body
     
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    Note: Remember, I am usually dealing with just a phrase or clause of a verse, if that.

    Chapter
    vs. 22
    ESV : healing to all their flesh
    NIV : health to one's whole body

    vs. 24
    ESV : Put away from you crooked speech
    NIV : Keep your mouth free of perversity

    vs. 26
    ESV : all your ways will be sure
    NIV : be steadfast in all your ways

    Chapter 6
    vs. 20
    ESV : forsake not
    NIV : do not forsake

    Chapter 7
    vs. 25
    ESV : Let not your heart
    NIV : Do not let your heart
     
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    I think a good bit. Most of us are not unbiased when we come to compare one reading with another.
     
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    An excellent point! :)
     
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    I agree.
     
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    Proverbs

    8:27
    ESV : when he drew a circle
    NIV : when he marked out the horizon

    9:2
    ESV : She has slaughtered her beasts
    NIV : She has prepared her meat

    11:25
    ESV : one who waters will himself will be watered
    NIV : whoever refreshes others will be refreshed

    12:12
    ESV : Whoever is wicked covets the spoil of evildoers
    NIV : The wicked desire he stronghold of evildoers

    12:14
    ESV : the work of a man's hand comes back to him
    NIV : the work of their hands brings them reward

    12:28
    ESV : in its pathway there is no death
    NIV : along that path is immortality
     
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    James 1:14

    but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. [NIV]

    But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. [ESV]

    Dragged vs. lured? Which is the better translation?

    "drawn away" KJV
    "drawn away" NKJV
    "drawn away" HCSB
    "carried away" NASB
    "drawn away" WEB


    Also note that ESV removes 'evil' as a descriptor for desire.



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