Why was this topic moved here? Any reasons? I have participated in this discussion and now it's been moved to an area I never post at. I do consider myself fundamental in beliefs, but I do not carry a Fundamentalist label. Could someone please explain why the post was moved?
Grace,
God never promised us we would never be sick, he did promise us peace.
Helen,
Yes I am a mother but my hormones don't change God's Word.
Kate,
You quoted doctors, I quoted the Word of God.
Everyone,
Please note the lack of scripture as this subject is dealt with. You all had a lot to say, but it in no way explained to me why the promise in Philippians did not apply to us all. It merely continued to excuse behavior that the Bible says we are not supposed to have.
~Lorelei
The Peace Of God That Passes All Understanding
Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Mark Osgatharp, Feb 22, 2003.
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Phillipians 4:4-9 is True, Sister Lorelei.
Hebrews 4:12 (KJV1873):
For the word of God is quick, and powerful,
and sharper than any twoedged sword,
piercing even to the dividing asunder
of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow,
and is a discerner of the thoughts
and intents of the heart.
The spirit is the software played
upon the hardware of the soul.
The soul (mind) is the software played
upon the hardware of the body (brain).
As long as the spirit is on the soul,
and the soul on the body, the malfunctions
of the body will influence the
operations of the soul and spirit;
likewise the operation of the spirit
will influence the soul and body.
Only death (release of the soul and spirit
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So you are clear, read this very carefully: Some depression is the result of medical problems. In such cases, they should be tested and treated medically. Do not ever misrepresent me again on that issue. But do not forget this: Some depression is the result of spiritual problems and those issues should not be treated with medicine since the proper response to spiritual problems is a spiritual response.
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Yes, Philippians 4:4-9 is certainly true. And in this passage Paul is teacing us an important lesson; our inner attitudes do not have to reflect our outward circumstances. Paul was full of joy because he knew that no matter what happened to him, Jesus was with him. True peace is not found in positive thinking or in good feelings. It comes from knowing that God is in control.
Lorelei, in this passage it also says to be known by your "gentle" spirit. I've seen very little of that gentleness in your posts.
In His love,
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Pastor Larry,
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Amen! And he showed us through this passage that the same can apply to all of us. We can experience that same peace, if we only realize that all this junk around us doesn't matter, God IS in control!
Part of my attitude in this thread may seem curt, but in another thread, I was dealt with in a very unloving manner and many even stooped to calling me names. I am trying to leave emotion out of it, I hope that you can too. Please do not start turning this into a name calling and finger pointing discussion, let us stick to the facts about the subject, not each other. I don't find that type of response gentle or productive.
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Lorelei,
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Originally posted by rlvaughn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by kate B...007:
Prehaps you'd like to show where I said anyone was ignorant.Click to expand...Originally posted by kate B...007:
...somoene who has no idea what they are talking about.Click to expand...
ANd if that is the case maybe you should reread all the posts on this topic and see how many times I've been called ignorant. Just where did you adminish someone else for calling me ignorant? Or is that only for peopel you agree with? -
Loralei;
When you talk about depression to a depressed person; you ARE talking about that person as an individual.
Every time a thread gets started on this topic. You say one thing; people who have suffered depression (including myself) say another.
Most of these threads get closed because REAL people, with REAL depression, who believe in the REAL God, are getting hurt.
You will never convince us that you are right and we will never convince you that we know what we are talking about and we do NOT have a lack of faith in God.
Please tell me the point of this debate....
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Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by kate B...007:
Either the topic is depression, or sins effect ont he life. Which is it. Illness or sin?Click to expand...
I beleive God can and does heal, but I also believe He does it both miracouly and with medicnes.Click to expand...
]Prephaps you'd like to show where I said anyone was ignorant. Either that or stop falsely accusing me. Your supose to be a pastor, but you issue false accusations.Click to expand...
Scripture of peoples who were depressed who never once did God belittle them like poeple on here do, nor did He give instructions for anyone else to belittle them, or judge them. Seems you all want to use a lot of scritpute without looking at all of it. Show me where God once belittled anyone sick from anything in the bible.Click to expand...
But alas, I still see no Scripture in your post. </font>[/QUOTE]Again I must say the same thing over and over it seems. I ahve used scripture on this topic, but this si the second time we have discussed this topic in the last two weeks. If you'd read everyting you'd see I've used scripture and no one has been able to refute it either, and not many even acknowledged it even exsisted. -
I have seen the evidence. THat is not the point. It has been demonstrated that some depression is the result of your thoughts and what you allow your mind to think. This is an area where you need to adjust your belief to Scripture.Click to expand...
Techinically speaking this is true (but not in teh matter that your unfornately smart aleck response intends). If Adam and Eve never sinned, there would be no sickness. However, Christ makes clear that not all sickness is the direct result of sin (cf. Job, Blind man in John 9, Paul's thorn in the flesh, etc.).Click to expand...
So you are clear, read this very carefully: Some depression is the result of medical problems. In such cases, they should be tested and treated medically.Click to expand... -
Kate,
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These statements are not logical. Surely you don't believe medical science is absolute and without error! Every Christian has the right to follow medical science in areas where they believe it corresponds to scripture , and reject it when they believe it speaks contrary to the inspired word of God. If you do not feel there is a contradiction between the science of mental illnesses and the Bible, then fine. But don't judge others as being inconsistent when they do feel there are problems between these truths.Click to expand...
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I was the very first person to post on this topic, but my post does not exsist. Why? What happened to it? Wasn't it just a few weeks ago some tried to say there was no censorship on the BB.
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Grace,
How many people who read these threads may be dealing with alcoholism. Should we not tell them that the Bible says not to be drunk? How many people may be lairs? Should we not share that God wants us to speak truth?
I don't know how many people are depressed, but I do know what the Word of God says about it.
Why are we talking about me. If I am wrong, prove it, not according to science, but according to the Word of God. Isn't that what Baptists use as their authority in all matters?
John 14:27
27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
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Just to let you know I am done with this topic. Some poeple are so closed minded they don't want to let God out of the box they stuck Him in. I've used scripture, medical proofs, nothing changes the mind of someone whose hardened their heart against God's people.
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Originally posted by I Am Blessed 16:
Please tell me the point of this debate....
SueClick to expand...
Matt 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
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