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The planned collapse of America

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  1. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Good job of totally avoiding the topic guys. I'd give ya a slap on the back but it would probably be interpreted as being terroristic behaviour so I'll just give ya all a hardy heave ho. :wavey:

    Oh, and here's some more of that history stuff you musta missed NS. Trying to constantly jusitfy the unjustifiable will no doubt make ya miss out on alot of things.

    Click Here and then     read the article.
     
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  2. NiteShift

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    Well congratulations on taking the Rosetta Stone course. That is very commendable. It still doesn't tell me why we can read translations from other languages with confidence, but not those originally spoken (or written) in Arabic, as you state in post #19.
     
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    Greenspan is a very intelligent man, but he did not form Iraq policy. He did say that at the time of the invasion, that he believed, like Bush, that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

    He also said that, "My view is that Saddam, looking over his 30-year history, very clearly was giving evidence of moving towards controlling the Straits of Hormuz, where there are 17, 18, 19 million barrels a day passing through." That is a legitimate concern for an economist or a head of state.

    In the end though, the US pays for it's oil just like everybody else. We have not stolen Iraqi oil.
     
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    I read the article, and really it is more of what we've been hearing all along. To paraphrase, "The US had it coming. The world hates us because of our foreign policy. Vote for Ron Paul."

    Final word goes to you.
     
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  5. Ivon Denosovich

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    So, in your theory, twenty years from now the people of Iraq will own the oil wells in their borders?

    If not, please define "theft."

    Keep in mind there is never any form of redistribution of wealth without lucrative administrative kickbacks.


    In fact, our corporate allies appear to be little more than opportunists:

    ( New York Times article here.)

    Little wonder that BBC is reporting that $9 billion in oil revenue is already missing.

    Even less wonder that geopolitical pundit Christopher Flavin of Worldwatch Institute told PBS's Margaret Warner, "[The] U.S. desires to control that oil."

    Most, including the Brookings Institute concede that:

    ... which means the US most certainly is going to take it. Bottom line: the people of Iraq are all but guaranteed to watch helplessly as companies such as Hilliburton or KBR rip it away.
     
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  6. poncho

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    To paraphrase what your red white and blue "leaders" have been saying "They hate us because of our freedom and prosperity not because we've meddled in their affairs, overthrown their governments and caused much suffering among them, nor is because of our hubris and global hegemony".

    If you read the article (and judging from your paraphrazation I doubt it very much) then you know that there is no authorization in the constitution for the government to act as it has for decades. So my final word to you is...if you really believe the government should...

    "liberate" other peoples, uplift their societies, feed their starving masses, rescue them from tyrants, determine the nature of their governments, choose what weapons they may build and maintain, or change their regimes."

    Then amend the constitution don't just ignore it. Otherwise you are either asking for tyranny or you are it's enabler and servant. And that my very good friend is about as unAmerican as it gets.
     
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    steaver Well-Known Member
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    I'm curious. Does the Constitution forbid these things you listed?

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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  8. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Are you for real?
     
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    steaver Well-Known Member
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    Last I looked in the mirror.

    You are telling me the constitution forbids charity to other countries in need?

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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  10. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    No not at all. The constitution has nothing to say about charitable contributions to anyone including foreign nations. You can give as much as you like to anyone you choose a caution though, read the USA PATRIOT act(s) very carefully before giving any charitable contributions to anyone. They may be viewed as support for terrorist organizations.

    The federal government on the other hand has no authorization to coerce your property and or labor from you to give to other countries whether they are in need or not.



    SOURCE

    Does that satisfy your curiosity? :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    steaver Well-Known Member
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    I don't get it then. Why did you post charity (feeding the starving) as something unconstitutional?

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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    That's not the whole story, but it is a part of it; if the U.S. did not have bases in Muslim countries, things might not be as tense as they are now between America and the Muslim world.
     
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    True, but we do and that must be the way God wants it to be for His end time purposes. Isn't it something how God put all that needy world oil right there in such a tiny place with all that religious tension? I think He knows what He is doing!

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Because that is one of the "justifications" the federal government uses when it wants to use power that was never granted to it by the constitution.

    Are you saying it was God's idea for our CIA to use Iranians posing as communists to go around blowing things up and shooting people so as to blame it on the Iranian government in order to overthrow that government in 1953? God is cool with false flag terrorism? Is that what you are saying?
     
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    From the Article mentioned at the top of page five:

    This perfectly describes VICTORY - this
    happens when we WIN.

    IMHO then, Ron Paul is being represented
    as anti-success & anti-victory. I'll check with
    his people and see if they really like this kind of
    stuff put on their candidate. :)

    [edited to correct off-page reference]
     
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  16. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    So, in other words...to the victors goes the empire? That'd all be fine and dandy but the Romans already proved you can't have an empire and a republic too. Sooner or later you have to give up one or the other. In our case I'd say it will be the republic that goes. Seeing as how we refuse to learn from history and all. :smilewinkgrin:

    Besides the United States is probably the last obstacle standing in the way of world government.
     
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  17. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
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    Just remember, the "federal government" is "we the people".

    Like it or not!

    No, but I am saying in response to dagwood's post........

    True, but we do and that must be the way God wants it to be for His end time purposes. Isn't it something how God put all that needy world oil right there in such a tiny place with all that religious tension? I think He knows what He is doing!

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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