Here is an article that I found thought provoking. It deal with cessationism and the present work of the Holy Spirit. It is written by Wallace of Greek Grammar fame. LINK
The present work of the Holy Spirit
Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by NaasPreacher (C4K), Jan 8, 2004.
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It seems more to promote the Pentencostal doctrine.
Though I visited your profile, website and "association" website, I still wonder what you're promoting.
Also in the sections of your websites I noticed you profess to be "non-denominational", Uh, for those of us who are not so easily smoke=screened, that is A RECOGNIZABLE DENOMINATION. I will go one step further as to ascertain not giving disservice, you also claim to be INdependent Baptist, that also is a recognizable denomination.
I'm somewhat confused by this because I am distinctively IFB, that is distinctively NOT non-denominational.
I also see where you claim the "B-A-P-T-I-S-T-S" acronym as an indication of doctrinal stand, but that is what I'm bewildered about, if you really believe that, why is it your promoting the link to an obviously charismatic and certainly Pentecostal link?
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But then I am that evil "obsessive-compulsive white male" Wallace condemns.
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It seems more to promote the Pentencostal doctrine.
Though I visited your profile, website and "association" website, I still wonder what you're promoting.
Also in the sections of your websites I noticed you profess to be "non-denominational", Uh, for those of us who are not so easily smoke=screened, that is A RECOGNIZABLE DENOMINATION. I will go one step further as to ascertain not giving disservice, you also claim to be INdependent Baptist, that also is a recognizable denomination.
I'm somewhat confused by this because I am distinctively IFB, that is distinctively NOT non-denominational.
I also see where you claim the "B-A-P-T-I-S-T-S" acronym as an indication of doctrinal stand, but that is what I'm bewildered about, if you really believe that, why is it your promoting the link to an obviously charismatic and certainly Pentecostal link?
Did I miss something? </font>[/QUOTE]You certainly did miss something. I am promoting NOTHING about the article. Found it thought provoking and wanted to get some input. Sorry for offending you.
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I am now comforted that I am not a Ph.D
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BTW, IFB is a "Baptist" denomination, check it out in the section "Baptist Denominations". Also the 1st Baptist of Snellville, Ga. wouldn't send a church letter to an IFB church "Because we don't recognize OTHER denominations".
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I'm not going to fight with you QS over whether or not IFB is a denomination or not. As Baptist we do have liberty to disagree.
It is NOT a part of the Baptist denomination in Ireland and that is all I am really concerned about on my website.
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I had hoped to speak with grace to you concerning this, but I see it isn't well received and I apologize. -
There is a third option. One could be for a certain point of view, against it, or the third option being they haven't made up their mind yet and want to discuss it and see what others think. I could be wrong here, but I think Christ4Kildare would fit in the third category here.
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Joseph,
Thanks so much for your clarification. I simply found the article interesting, was mulling over the thoughts, and wanted some other views and ideas. I thought that forums were for discussion. If I supported the view I would simply have said so.
Now, what do you all think about Wallace's views. What does the Holy Spirit do today? I think Wallace is very questionable in his views here. -
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This section (see link in OP) is theone that caused me the most concern.
3) This emphasis on knowledge over relationship has produced in us a bibliolatry. Since the text is our task, we have made it our God. It has become our idol. Let me state this bluntly: The Bible is not a member of the Trinity. One lady in my church facetiously told me, "I believe in the Trinity: the Father, Son, and Holy Bible."
"One of the great legacies Karl Barth left behind was his strong Christocentric focus. It is a shame that too many of us have reacted so strongly to Barth, for in our zeal to show his bibliological deficiencies we have become biblioters in the process. Barth and Calvin share a lot in common: there is a warmth, a piety, a devotion, an awe in the presence of God that is lacking in too many theological tomes generated from our circles."
Any other specifics as to what others think is the worst part of the article?