Talk about going round the bend. Now the advocates of the nameless doctrine say there is no need for preaching, unless a person accepts the bogus doctrine of "initial quickening". OTOH, scripture says the gospel is the power of God for salvation. When a person hears and understands, they are drawn to Christ. Therefore, scripture teaches we are to present the gospel to the whole world.
The quickening
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Rlee, Jul 19, 2017.
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Since it is a fiction not found in scripture, the advocates debate the concept without any reference to scripture.
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The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I look at it differently. The gospel is first brought to the outer ear and there the process of worldly sorrow begins to occur due to the natural convicting power of the Word. However, when it is God's time to quicken us, he takes the word that has already been delivered, already has begun its process of condemnation and then quickens us.
Significantly, worldly sorrow causes conviction unto self-condemnation and death. However godly sorrow worketh salvation in that quickening is unto justification. So the Word begins a process of painful conviction that condemns and can turn into depression, but godly sorrow (repentance unto faith) turns the direction upward from the downward spiral toward depression and death to justification and hope.
These testimonies of six months or even years of miserable conviction I believe is worldly sorrow taking its natural course in it downward spiral. Qucikening changes the direction upward immediately through faith in the "good" news and "hope" found in the gospel -
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Yet another denial of scripture. Matthew 13 teaches that 3 of the four soils can hear and respond, but one soil cannot understand. The "quicken by the Spirit" is used because it has a double meaning. When we are made alive, when God puts us in Christ spiritually, we are made alive (quickened) by the Spirit. But that is not what the advocate of false theology means, no the "secret" meaning, never found in scripture, is that unless a sinner is altered by "irresistible grace" they cannot seek God or trust in Christ.
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Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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In Matthew 13,Jesus teaches that 3 of the four soils can hear and respond, but one soil cannot understand. The "quicken by the Spirit" is used because it has a double meaning. When we are made alive, when God puts us in Christ spiritually, we are made alive (quickened) by the Spirit. But that is not what the advocate of false theology means, no the "secret" meaning, never found in scripture, is that unless a sinner is altered by "irresistible grace" they cannot seek God or trust in Christ.
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The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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BTW, I looked over Ephesians 2 and found no support for your premise. The chapter teaches us that we started out not in Christ, separate from Christ, in darkness as the rest of mankind. But, through faith, made us alive together with Christ. So the chapter is dealing with what happens after we put our faith in Christ, and your premise deals with our conviction Christ is our God and our Savior.
NET Bible Hebrews 11:1
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As far as our individual ability, Matthew 13 teaches that some people, the first soil, no longer have the ability to understand the gospel, but OTOH teaches that all the rest do have that ability. But without the message (such as the Spirit inspired gospel of Christ) no one would be convicted.
2 Timothy 3:15-17 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. -
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