Featured The Right Meaning of Romans

Yes indeed Kyred....that will be all those numbers listed at the bottom of each summary statement.Does your pastor just read scripture quotes or does he help people try to gain a proper understanding Nehemiah 8:8
What does it say in your bible Kyred?
Read8:1-8....They read, worshipped and vs8....they read distinctly, GAVE THE SENSE, AND CAUSED THEM TO READ WITH UNDERSTANDING.
I am sure you know this verse Kyred, but looks like it slipped your mind.

 

The Resurrection of the righteous is salvation from satan, sin and hell

 

This is a willful blindness and perversion of what is offered.
A resurrection body is guaranteed,this golden chain is speaking of the Covenant love of God to the elect.

 

Exactly what I thought, but I was going to think about it

 

I agree. And I am still waiting for someone to suggest to Guido some good non-Calvinist commentaries on Romans. One of the reasons I lean heavily to the Calvinistic system is that it seems that they have all the good writings and they have examined scripture and thought this through.

 

I didn't say predestination to resurrection, I said predestination unto a Christ-like resurrection body (the image [physical] of Christ).
God could have chosen to raise believers without granting them such a body necessarily.

 

Are you espousing a spiritual resurrection?

the Bible says we shall be like him

 

how?

the whole point of the resurrection is the restoration of the fallen human flesh

again, the whole man fell in the garden not just a spiritual fall, but a mortal one as well

 

W/o the preaching of the Gospel shall no flesh be justified

Galatians 2:16

that indicates that Christ redeems the whole man

 

Predestination is actually unto sonship
Related keywords: heir, glory, inheritance

But I like that you recognize that it's not an ordo salutis in the Reformed tradition

 

But not at once, and not exclusively believers.

Everyone - even unbelievers - will be raised bodily, which is redemption.

 

Thanks, brother

 

The “fruit” Paul spoke of receiving from the Christians at Rome was money to support a missionary journey into Spain.

Paul normally writes to churches he had founded to answer questions those folks had sent to him.

The church at Rome was founded by Christians leaving Jerusalem after Pentecost and the persecution that followed.

As such, they were mostly Jews who believed Jesus as Messiah and God-fearing Gentiles that worship according to Judaism.

Paul’s ministry was to Gentiles, though he usually began preaching in synagogues, wherever he went.

So, Paul, not the founder of the church but a well known Apostle, wrote to the Romans that they both would be encouraged and strengthened.

He is writing to Christians with a strong leaning into Judaism and spends an enormous amount of effort explaining the relationship between what they knew from the OT (justification by works of the law) and the truth that came with Christ Jesus (salvation by grace).

hope that helps

peace to you

 

The sonship, as far as adoption, not regeneration, is the resurrection.

 

Really? Did you buy it directly from them?

 

I'm genuinely curious....

You seem to have a firm conviction of the parameters within which you're willing to entertain various viewpoints.

What, pray tell, are you hoping to glean from Romans that you don't already have?

 

As others have pointed out, God is never random, but He is sovereign, 'according to His own purpose' or 'will' (2 Timothy 1:9; c.f. Ephesians 1:5, 9, 11). Not a day goes by that I do not praise God for unconditional election and irresistible drawing.

1 Lord, I was blind: I could not see
in thy marred visage any grace;
but now the beauty of thy face
in radiant vision dawns on me.

2 Lord, I was deaf: I could not hear
the thrilling music of thy voice;
but now I hear thee and rejoice,
and all thine uttered words are dear.

3 Lord, I was dumb: I could not speak
the grace and glory of thy name;
but now, as touched with living flame,
my lips thine eager praises wake.

4 Lord, I was dead: I could not stir
my lifeless soul to come to thee;
but now, since thou hast quickened me,
I rise from sin's dark sepulchre.

5 Lord, thou hast made the blind to see,
the deaf to hear, the dumb to speak,
the dead to live; and lo, I break
the chains of my captivity! [William T. Matson]

If there is one set of verses in Romans that I would particularly commend to you it is Romans 11:33-36.