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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Guido, Jan 2, 2022.

  1. Guido

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    Having asked of God a revelation of the sense of the Book of Romans, having asked Him also for power in my brain for the training of concentration; in my painstaking study of every word that is contained therein, I say, from Chapter 1 to Chapter 4, with force of effort for concentration, plagued by many distractions, I came to disagree with him whose name is called Zane Hodges; believing this, that the Book of Romans, though written to believers, those having faith in Jesus Christ, the purpose thereof is the preaching of the gospel thereto, of salvation not only in a single sense; that the ones who received the letter he wrote them may add new saints to their number, obedient to the faith which he proclaimed.

    Now, not being sure of my understanding concerning the sense of the book, I ask for a discussion made thereof, without tension, without insult, that the thread may not be closed, but with insight to the knowledge of us all. Thank you.
     
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    It deals with how fallen man might be redeemed to a Holy God.

    it teaches of man’s fallen state, and the particulars of man’s salvation, and the benefits thereof especially justification by Faith Alone.

    There are many good commentaries, as well as horrid ones. I am unsure where you are in your spiritual journey so here is my input.

    for a general expositional Commentary, it is hard to beat RC Sproul’s Romans the Gospel of God is a great place to start. Founders also has a small commentary by Curtis Vaughn for like $15?

    More advanced commentaries would be William Hendriksen’s commentary, or John Murray, and are more pricey.

    the last few Chapters of Romans deal w other issues ie the Christian and government

    there are also other small booklets which deal w justification, election, sovereignty, adoption and sanctification for $5-6 each on Cumberland Valley Bible Book
     
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    There is also several books that deal with correctly explaining those who have problems understanding salvation from a biblical point of view. One of the best is by Joseph Bianchi which deals with so called problem texts. Entitled God Chose to Save
     
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    Definitely about God:

    Romans 1:
    1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
    4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead; even Jesus Christ our Lord,
    10 making request, if by any means now at length I may be prospered by the will of God to come unto you.
    16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
    17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness;
    23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
    25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    32 who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.

    Romans 2:
    2 And we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against them that practise such things.
    3 And reckonest thou this, O man, who judgest them that practise such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
    4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
    5 but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
    24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, even as it is written.

    Romans 3:
    2 Much every way: first of all, that they were intrusted with the oracles of God.
    3 For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of God?
    5 But if our righteousness commendeth the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who visiteth with wrath? (I speak after the manner of men.)
    7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?
    18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
    19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it speaketh to them that are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God:
    21 But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
    22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
    23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;
    25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God;

    Romans 4:
    20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God,

    Romans 5:
    1 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;
    5 and hope putteth not to shame; because the love of God hath been shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Spirit which was given unto us.
    9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him.
    15 But not as the trespass, so also is the free gift. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound unto the many.

    Romans 6:
    23 For the wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Romans 7:
    22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
    25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

    Romans 8:
    7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:
    9 But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
    14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
    16 The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God:
    19 For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the revealing of the sons of God.
    21 that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.
    27 and he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
    34 who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
    39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Romans 9:
    4 who are Israelites; whose is the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
    6 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel:
    8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed.
    11 for the children being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth,
    26 And it shall be, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, There shall they be called sons of the living God.

    Romans 11:
    4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have left for myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to Baal.
    22 Behold then the goodness and severity of God: toward them that fell, severity; but toward thee, God`s goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
    29 For the gifts and the calling of God are not repented of.
    33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and the knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past tracing out!
     
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    Where?
     
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    Concerning those commentaries, I am sure that in them there are many teachings contrary to scripture, as the doctrines of Calvinism all oppose the gospel, the gospel teaching that eternal life is available to all, the justification thereof being a gift, received by faith in the necessary truth for justification declared by Paul; of which I ask you all for clarification, asking this: if the last three verses of Romans 4 is that which we should obey.
     
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    Thanks, you really are showing the way of "without tension, without insult".
     
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    I don't think we'll find a better commentary on Romans than Martin Luther's.

    Praying for power in my brain,
    Aaron
     
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    Everywhere. You simply are stuck because you don't see the English word, alone, next to justification. Read the entire first eleven chapters as one and you see it shouting off the page.

    Of course, you can always choose to hold the RCC doctrine of justification by faith plus works...
     
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    Seems like you have made up your mind. Why ask for any guidance?
     
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    Too many issues. Even between Romans 1:1, "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, . . ." and Romans 4:25, ". . . Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. . . ."
     
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    Lol....do you think the OP. Was sincere?
    Much of the core doctrines of the gospel are found in Romans
    He opposes Calvinism.
    Calvinism is largely explained in Roman's which he opposes.
    He in reality opposes himself.
     
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    Just an FYI to those following

    the Key word in Romans is justification

    the key passage is the ordo salutis in Romans 8:29-30

    verse

    Romans 5:1. Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
     
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    So, on the one hand, you acknowledge you don’t understand what Romans is teaching and have asked God to help your discernment and on the other hand you refuse to consider that the doctrines of grace may answer your questions.

    Brother, it sounds like God Holy Spirit is attempting to guide you into all truth but your pre-existing beliefs has blinded you to that truth.

    I suspect the more you read Romans and ask God for discernment, the more frustrated you will become as you realize the truth of the doctrines of grace until, finally, you will surrender your pride, open your mind and embrace the truth.

    peace to you
     
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    I don't know. But Marooncat's suggestions seemed sincere and did not deserve a response like that from Guido. I would challenge the anti-Calvinists on here to come up with some good commentary suggestions. One of the big things that convinced me that Calvinism was probably right was that almost all the good and helpful commentaries, sermons, books and historical documents were done by Calvinists. It's sad to see a guy just blow off all the suggestions because they are Calvinistic and then admit he's been dabbling in the theology of Zane Hodges.
     
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    I did not think he was sincere, but posted anyways


    Someone may get edified but what was posted

    idk
     
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    You did the correct thing and offered wonderful options.
    The ability to welcome Divine truth is given or withheld by the Spirit of God.
    You offered in a faithful manner.
    You cannot help if some is being disingenuous.
     
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    Romans 8:30

    Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

    Here in the Ordo Salutis we see

    1. The Predestination of God

    2. The Calling of God. Those who have been predestined are called by God

    3. The justification of those who are called. God declaring us right w Him in spite of our sin

    4. The glorification of those who have been justified. Ie heaven.

    think about that!!

    when we are called by God, we are called to heaven
     
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    I never insulted a person in this thread, but said that the doctrines of Calvinism oppose the gospel, unable to believe concerning the Lord, that by random selection He would damn souls to Hell, and force upon those who would otherwise reject Him the gift of eternal life, myself believing that the gift is not faith, but eternal life as the scriptures declare, given to those who freely believe, who have salvation from Hell, also declared in the scriptures to be a gift, in the sense that is understood so plainly in verses in the Book of Ephesians, not in English alone, but likely in Greek, those verses being this: Ephesians 2:8-9
     
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    Guido you do insult someone when you ask for commentary suggestions then accuse them of "opposing the gospel" because they are a Calvinist. I forgive you though because the description of "Calvinism" you give shows that you don't know what it is either. As you are seeing, no non-Calvinists are suggesting any commentaries. That is one of the main reasons I became a Calvinist - most haters of Calvinism have no workable theology and that is in many cases on purpose.
    If I could make a suggestion that might be acceptable to you. It would be William Newell, "Romans Verse by Verse".
    He did teach God's sovereignty but was against a limited atonement. The book is old enough that he knew nothing of the modern debates. It's still in print on Amazon and if you look around you can get a paperback for 5 dollars or so.
     
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