That sounds like Johnny Mac. LOL
The rise of Calvinism?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Jan 1, 2020.
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Often people move from one view because on a particular issue and later move from that view for another issue all together.
For example, I left Free-Will theology and became convinced of Calvinism because of issues concerning predestination. Through prayer and study I came to see error in Free-Will theology and arrived at a Calvinistic understanding. After a long time I became aware of unrelated issues with Calvinism and through prayer and study moved from Calvinism to the "classic view". But this has to do with my understanding and the work of God in my life.
We argue against what we understand as error but we have to remember to keep it addressed to doctrine and not the Christians who hold the view. -
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Fullerism is five point evangelical Calvinism. Some think it is only four point Calvinism because it understands as being for the whole world referring to its sufficiency of the finished work of Christ for securing salvation only for His sheep out of the world.
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When I think of irresitible grace the parable of the sower comes to mind where someone whose faith is shallow ". . . he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. . . ." -- Matthew 13:20-21.
". . . when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. . . ." -- Luke 8:13.
". . . when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended. . . ." -- Mark 4:16-17.
Also comes to mind Acts of the Apostles 7:51, "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
And Titus 2:11, ". . . For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, . . ."
So the concept of God's sheep ultimately finding God's grace irresitible I believe.
But to simply claim God's grace is irresitible I do not believe. The gospel must be correctly undertood so its truth is not hid (2 Corinthians 4:3). Hmm . . . the reason God's grace is resisted. -
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Truth is not subjective, but rather it is objective.
Jesus came to bear witness to the truth.
Everyone who is of the truth heard His voice
Jn18:37-38....notice Pilate suggested it was subjective.
Calvinism does not put believers in opposition to God.
We can judge righteous judgment.
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