Define REFORMED for me would you...I mean your interpretation of the term as it is used in conjunction with Baptist
Example, "we are Baptists but the 'Reformed' type.":)
Like isn't the term best reserved for Protestants vs Baptists.
The term "Reformed"
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Earth Wind and Fire, Dec 15, 2016.
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Oxymoron.
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Would alo hold to Covenant Theology/Calvinism -
Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
You see, I view the term REFORMED to suggest something more akin to Presbyterianism & the Westminster Confessions of Faith ....IE The practice of the sacraments (including Baby Baptizing...as a sacramental circumcision), observing a Sabbath, Covenant theology, Elder led. They (the Presbyterians) do not really appreciate Baptists and review us as not being really Reformed....otherwise we would be them. I know this because I was a Presbyterian sooooo.....:Rolleyes -
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To be 'Reformed' should mean simply that your theology is constantly being reformed in line with Scripture. Ecclesia reformata semper reformanda. A Reformed church is always in need of reformation. It shouldn't mean that your theology is permanently stuck in the 16th or 17th Century. However 'Reformed' folk will usually believe in Covenant theology and Cessationism.
Originally, the term meant that someone had left the Church of Rome and adopted Protestant theology. In France, for example, churches are described as being either 'Catholic' or 'Reformed.' However, those of us who describe ourselves as Reformed Baptist believe that whilst we follow in the footsteps of the Reformers and Puritans, we have abandoned the last relic of Romanist theology, infant baptism, I find the term 'Reformed' expresses my theology better than 'Particular' or 'Calvinistic.' although I find my theology very much in line with Keach, Coxe or Bunyan, though I reserve the right to disagree with them on various points.
Another reason that I use it is because it annoys some of the more sniffy Presbyterians (R. Scott Clark and others) who think they have patented the term. :Biggrin
Unfortunately the term 'Reformed Baptist' is being devalued these days and people who do not hold to covenant theology and who are charismatic are using it. It will probably end up being as meaningless as 'evangelical.' -
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Belief in the doctrines of grace and covenant theology.
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The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The term "reformed" is derived primarily from the Reformation and Roman Catholic Reformers or Protesters who came out of the Roman Catholic Church as their ecclesiastical origin. With regard to doctrinal overtones, the term "reformed" is derived from what is now termed "calvinistic" doctrines that Luther, Calvin and other Reformers embraced.
"Reformed" Baptists are basically those who trace their doctrinal and ecclesiastical origin to the Roman Catholic Church in the Reformation through the Reformers. By their own confession they embrace paedobaptism as their ecclesiastical origin.
Biblical Baptist repudiate the term "reformed" as much as they do the terms "Sacramental" and "Protestant" as they trace neither their doctrinal or ecclesiastical origin to Rome or its harlot daughters (Rev. 17:5) but claim an ecclesiastical and doctrine origin wholly unassociated with Rome. BTW the 1644/46 Baptists clearly and unmistakenly referred Revelation 17:5 to Rome and her Protestant paedobaptist or Reformed denominations, just as did all earlier Anabaptists from the time of Constantine.
I was reading the Minutes of the Broadmead church in Bristol and the account of the many "Anabaptist" (as Baptist were then called) conventicles in England under the reign of Queen Elizabeth which were clearly anti-paedobaptist and immersionists as were all in the time including the church of England were immersionists (as proven by the baptismal fonts). Reformed Baptists are no friend of the Lord's churches as they willingly and eagerly not only side with those who persecuted and killed the ancient baptists (paedobaptists) but claim them as their ecclesiastical parents. -
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I can honestly say that I often get frustrated by the myriad of history (that is suggested) as evidence of plain truth attempting to distinguish just who is the "Plain truth & proper church." I cant make the great issues of the Reformation key to my life. Especially when I see that most of this was a struggle for power & righteousness (still going on to some degree apparently). So if I we have to divide, then I suggest that we do it like a contest.
1. Which church is best working the Great Commission (facilitating sinners paths to Christ)
2. Who is doing the better job feeding widows & orphans?:Wink:Thumbsup -
He is Reformed, but was taught under Dispy teachers, so he does see them as Christians, and he does allow for different worship styles, an h alo tends to see those of us holding to 5 points of Grace as "reformed" to a degree ! -
Tht iswhy thoe like John Macarthur boter them, as He is a Dispy Reformed, and not possible to them! -
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1. Uninspired - therefore full of personal opinions and restricted knowledge
2. Incomplete - gaps, gaps of time, gaps of knowledge
3. Often incorrect - biases, intentional revision of history, etc.
Prophetic Scripture is the best interpreter of secular church history.
First, you need to have a proper understanding of the Great Commission. BTW my thread on it has never been answered. Those who came on it, just change the subject matter.
Rome does the best job on feeding widows and & orphans and tending to the sick and homeless, etc. So if that is your criteria you need to be a Roman Catholic -
The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Those actually involved in the early English Baptist churches, those Baptists historians that lived the closest to the early English Particular Baptists churches in London, all deny they originated from paedobaptists.
Only the later universal invisible church whitsitt advocates make this charge along with the enemies of those early Baptists (paedobaptists). -
Andthe Great Commission is to witness to lost, train up thesaved, butalso tofeed and help outpoor and needy...
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