The World in Johannine theology

The Comforter convicts 'the world' through the mouths of His witnesses: YOU KILLED HIM, BUT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.

Acts 10:
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the country of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom also they slew, hanging him on a tree.
40 Him God raised up the third day, and gave him to be made manifest,
41 not to all the people, but unto witnesses that were chosen before of God, even to us, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he charged us to preach unto the people, and to testify that this is he who is ordained of God to be the Judge of the living and the dead.

 

Acts 13:
16 And Paul stood up, and beckoning with the hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, hearken:
27 For they that dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath, fulfilled them by condemning him.
28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet asked they of Pilate that he should be slain.
29 And when they had fulfilled all things that were written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a tomb.
30 But God raised him from the dead:
31 and he was seen for many days of them that came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are now his witnesses unto the people.

 

The world, mankind, cannot receive the Spirit. That is true. But I fear you may not understand that we must be born anew before we receive the Spirit. That is why the OT saints were never indwelt, why the indwelling was promised under the New Covenant.

But the bottom line is this argument, as with your others, does not offer any conflict with John almost always using the word translated "world" to mean "mankind" or the "corrupt value system of mankind."

And of course, the falsehood that I am a "free willer" is repeated without any quote. Why do you suppose he needs to create a petty name calling dialog? Hint - no validity in his argument.

 

Yet another post full of sound and fury signifying nothing. The world as used by John refers to mankind. Through the inspired NT, the Holy Spirit inspired text, the world, both Jews and non-Jews have been convicted.

 

Two Reformed theologians arguing, who would have thought????

I guess it is better than, "how many angels can fit on a pinhead"...

 

The "reformed view" is "world" does not mean "mankind" but means "elect" here, non-elect there, Jews here, and Gentiles there, to claim God does not love mankind, and did not give His Son so that everyone believing into Him would not perish but have eternal life.

It is just another reformed hoax to hide biblical truth and push limited atonement.

 

How would you feel toward the concept of, world =s the ordered system or ordered configuration, established, on the earth, from Genesis 1:3 through 1:31?

A, system of order and or ordered configuration, that, upon the resting of God on the Sabbath; for to vanity was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject -- in hope,

In other words it was brought about, very good, but in time, in hope, would be even better. In the world to come.

Did Adam mess up the following or was just not the proper time for the following to come about? Is the following what the, "world," will be like? Just the Jews or all the world? Is the following a part of the, "in hope"?

And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

 

I just go with how the word translated as "world" is used in John. Pretty simple really. God loved mankind in this way: He gave His one of a kind Son so that everyone believing into Him would not perish but have eternal life.

 

The whole world has been effected by Adam's disobedience. All of creation especially after the Flood, then we only have Noah's descendants. Yes, God loves the whole world, but then qualifies humanity, by, "He sent His only begotten Son." A specific human for a specific purpose, but the world was narrowed down to include all humanity. "That the world, mankind, may be saved. No elect or chosen mentioned to Nicodemus or whoever reads chapter 3.

19 “Now this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, but people loved the darkness rather than the light. Why? Because their actions were wicked.
20 For everyone who does evil things hates the light and avoids it, so that his actions won’t be exposed.
21 But everyone who does what is true comes to the light, so that all may see that his actions are accomplished through God.”

Yes, some will not want it, but that does not mean they were not part of the all. For this reason alone, is free will. Some have a desire to hate the light. Not that they are forced to hate it. It just comes naturally.

No! Atonement is not limited, but once a person decides to love the light, not forced, but they will enjoy the status of all of the attributes of Paul's doctrine.

Even here, people argue sinfulness is natural tendency, and not a choice, but, that would rule out experience and environment one is subjected to. That is what Satan accused Job of, Job 1:8-11

8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou not considered my servant Job, how none is like him in the earth? an upright and just man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast thou not made an hedge about him and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11 But stretch out now thine hand and touch all that he hath, to see if he will not blaspheme thee to thy face.

Satan accused Job of being elected of God for only good. God proved that Job still accepted God, even in trouble, because that is what Job chose. God blessed Job because of his right ness, not because God elected that life for him. It never says that Job was right, because God forced him, predestined it for him, or because God knew Job would naturally be right, because of his great environment.

The predestined part, was that God decided before hand. He then carried out the plan after 5000 years, then said it all happened even before the world was created. So no, there is no limit to God's Will, Atonement, knowledge one bit.

The limit is only in our understanding and interpretation. But to keep accepting and propogating a lie is also free will in action. God does not force humans to be false prophets, even if it leads folks astray. All we like sheep have gone astray. They did that which was right in their own eyes. God even loves us when we go astray or accept an opionion as fact. Look at Mohammed, Joseph Smith, name your deception and God still loves those decieved. They are all still covered by God's Atonement, even if they preach another Gospel. They do have to accept the Atonement. It is an individual choice, not because one has fellowship or membership in any type of group.