Those wonderful Muslims won't make gay cakes?

[Salty]

...so can refuse due to gay marriage/Muslim events, but not for bigots towards race!

(note: Are you are refering about homosexual
marriage - you see I support a happy marriage!)

Who is to say that refusing baking a cake for a homosexaul is acceptable based on the Bible?

Who is to say being a bigot towards race Bible is not?

Both of these are based on interpretation of the Bible. Not to mention the "holy" books of other religions.

Suppose a Jewish man wanted to marry a Protestant? A Jewish baker may refuse to bake that cake as he would see that in violation of Jewish Law.

Lets look at another example;
The Amish do NOT want those Red/yellow reflectors on their buggies. (reason being is that there religious beliefs state that bright colors brings vain attention to them)
Should the Amish be required to have those reflectors on the buggies?

Our city has an ordinance that you MUST have running water and electricity in your home to make it habitable. So what happens if an Amish family were to move in.

A few years ago - near Syracuse Mennonite children were walking to school. Government officials insisted that they ride the school bus. The Mennonites did NOT want the kids riding the same bus as non-Mennonites because they did not want their children to be improperly influencing their children.
So the public school started to make a separate trip to take the kids to the Mennonite school.

AGAIN
WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE
WHO DRAWS THE LINE

 

[Yeshua1]

(note: Are you are refering about homosexual
marriage - you see I support a happy marriage!)

Who is to say that refusing baking a cake for a homosexaul is acceptable based on the Bible?

Who is to say being a bigot towards race Bible is not?

Both of these are based on interpretation of the Bible. Not to mention the "holy" books of other religions.

Suppose a Jewish man wanted to marry a Protestant? A Jewish baker may refuse to bake that cake as he would see that in violation of Jewish Law.

Lets look at another example;
The Amish do NOT want those Red/yellow reflectors on their buggies. (reason being is that there religious beliefs state that bright colors brings vain attention to them)
Should the Amish be required to have those reflectors on the buggies?

Our city has an ordinance that you MUST have running water and electricity in your home to make it habitable. So what happens if an Amish family were to move in.

A few years ago - near Syracuse Mennonite children were walking to school. Government officials insisted that they ride the school bus. The Mennonites did NOT want the kids riding the same bus as non-Mennonites because they did not want their children to be improperly influencing their children.
So the public school started to make a separate trip to take the kids to the Mennonite school.

AGAIN
WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE
WHO DRAWS THE LINE

the bible clarly teaches NO homosexual mariage accepted by God svalid. so none shoudl be forced to cater that non event!

 

[Salty]

the bible clarly teaches NO homosexual mariage accepted by God svalid. so none shoudl be forced to cater that non event!

But we are not a theocracy -

The Bible teaches that we should be attending church every Sunday - do we pass a law that people must attend church.

The Bible teaches to rest on the Sabbath - so should we re-establish Blue Laws on Saturday?

The Bible teaches we should financially support our church - so should we ( As Germany does) give part of our taxes to churches?

 

[Yeshua1]

But we are not a theocracy -

The Bible teaches that we should be attending church every Sunday - do we pass a law that people must attend church.

The Bible teaches to rest on the Sabbath - so should we re-establish Blue Laws on Saturday?

The Bible teaches we should financially support our church - so should we ( As Germany does) give part of our taxes to churches?

Does God see gay mrriges s valid and legal or not? This is an instution he placed in BEFORE the law and srael, so thi needs to be honored and obeyed in all nations.

 

[InTheLight]

Do states legalize and regulate marriage or not?

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[Yeshua1]

Do states legalize and regulate marriage or not?

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Does God? He made the rules for what is valid, correct!

 

[InTheLight]

Neve R mined.

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[ChrisTheSaved]

It's hard to believe that some people posting in this thread are Christians. We should never have to violate our beliefs to affirm yours. I care not what the God of the OT as that no longer applies to much of our lives. We have Christ. They have not changed and our faith did the moment Christ was born. It's kind of like that old, "What about the Crusades!" As if that makes anything the Muslims do ok. And FYI, crusades were in response to their aggression not ours.

The point of the video is that the liberals only have a problem when White Christians do it. I bet as a black man I could do this and the media would not touch it. Also, I am so sick of white liberals period.

 

[Yeshua1]

It's hard to believe that some people posting in this thread are Christians. We should never have to violate our beliefs to affirm yours. I care not what the God of the OT as that no longer applies to much of our lives. We have Christ. They have not changed and our faith did the moment Christ was born. It's kind of like that old, "What about the Crusades!" As if that makes anything the Muslims do ok. And FYI, crusades were in response to their aggression not ours.

The point of the video is that the liberals only have a problem when White Christians do it. I bet as a black man I could do this and the media would not touch it. Also, I am so sick of white liberals period.

Whit liberals sold to black americans that republicans are keeping them in slavary, but really liberalism as kepttem on the "plantation and inchains still"

 

[Salty]

Whit liberals sold to black americans that republicans are keeping them in slavary, but really liberalism as kepttem on the "plantation and inchains still"

I have no ideal what you are trying to say here

 

[Salty]

and keep in mind that some of the slave owners in the US were black themselves,

 

[Yeshua1]

I have no ideal what you are trying to say here

White liberals, and the DEm Party, have sold Black americans the lie that the Republicans enslaved them, but slavery andj im crow/kkk all were pretty much from southern dems, and liberals still sell to Blck americans myth that governmt welfare best for them, as their policies havecaused big breakdown in black families, poor, and kept them beaten down...

 

[Salty]

White liberals, and the DEm Party, have sold Black americans the lie that the Republicans enslaved them, but slavery andj im crow/kkk all were pretty much from southern dems, and liberals still sell to Blck americans myth that governmt welfare best for them, as their policies havecaused big breakdown in black families, poor, and kept them beaten down...

Actually, it was the Yankees who transported the slaves via ship to the US.

But I do agree that that liberals policies have kept Blacks on the Dem rolls .
From LBJ (disclaimer - may be some offensive words)

 

[StefanM]

It's hard to believe that some people posting in this thread are Christians. We should never have to violate our beliefs to affirm yours. I care not what the God of the OT as that no longer applies to much of our lives. We have Christ. They have not changed and our faith did the moment Christ was born. It's kind of like that old, "What about the Crusades!" As if that makes anything the Muslims do ok. And FYI, crusades were in response to their aggression not ours.

The point of the video is that the liberals only have a problem when White Christians do it. I bet as a black man I could do this and the media would not touch it. Also, I am so sick of white liberals period.

Hi Marcion! I thought you were dead!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Well say it ain't so! How can these these sweet people refuse to make a gay wedding cake? Oh, how can all of these bakeries do it? I always thought it's was just the hateful Christians that oppressed people.

How bout if most of his business is Islamic & they totally agree with him & indeed they now buy their baked goods from him ....in support of him & all of their belief system (similar to Christians supporting christian business like Chick-Fil-Lay & Hobby Lobby)

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

What about hiring a black person?

Many people used to believe that people of African descent were cursed due to their supposed "ancestor" Ham.

What if someone doesn't want to hire a "cursed" person?

I understand there are no easy answers here, but you can take the logical route down both ends---forcing people against their faith or allowing blatant discrimination.

The reason the Civil Rights Act was needed was because the free market always reflects the prejudices of society. It's not a panacea.

It comes down to whether or not the owners "Religion" is inclusive or exclusive. Like some Christians will not allow people not a part of their particular church to participate in Communion --- they are examples of exclusive.

Now, would a Christian Fundamentalist church baker decorate a cake that had Homosexual "stuff" on it? Would a Christian Fundamentalist florist create a rosary floral arrangement for a Roman Catholic funeral? You tell me.

 

[StefanM]

It comes down to whether or not the owners "Religion" is inclusive or exclusive. Like some Christians will not allow people not a part of their particular church to participate in Communion --- they are examples of exclusive.

Now, would a Christian Fundamentalist church baker decorate a cake that had Homosexual "stuff" on it? Would a Christian Fundamentalist florist create a rosary floral arrangement for a Roman Catholic funeral? You tell me.

Conservative Christians and Muslims all practice exclusive religions, at least to some extent. I would say all Abrahamic religions, but while Orthodox Judaism is exclusive, it's more in an insular, non-evangelical way.

For your last two questions, my uneducated guess would be no to the first and maybe to the second.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

(note: Are you are refering about homosexual
marriage - you see I support a happy marriage!)

Who is to say that refusing baking a cake for a homosexaul is acceptable based on the Bible?

Who is to say being a bigot towards race Bible is not?

Both of these are based on interpretation of the Bible. Not to mention the "holy" books of other religions.

Suppose a Jewish man wanted to marry a Protestant? A Jewish baker may refuse to bake that cake as he would see that in violation of Jewish Law.

Lets look at another example;
The Amish do NOT want those Red/yellow reflectors on their buggies. (reason being is that there religious beliefs state that bright colors brings vain attention to them)
Should the Amish be required to have those reflectors on the buggies?

Our city has an ordinance that you MUST have running water and electricity in your home to make it habitable. So what happens if an Amish family were to move in.

A few years ago - near Syracuse Mennonite children were walking to school. Government officials insisted that they ride the school bus. The Mennonites did NOT want the kids riding the same bus as non-Mennonites because they did not want their children to be improperly influencing their children.
So the public school started to make a separate trip to take the kids to the Mennonite school.

AGAIN
WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE
WHO DRAWS THE LINE

Thats the point.....its now politically correct to NOT draw lines. God forbid you insult someone!

 

[Baptist Brother]

So the individual in the Video is saying a person should not be required to bake a cake for an activity that he believes is sinful.

Would the same standard apply for a baker who believed that inter-racial marriage was a sin?

If you believe in Freedom, the answer is yes, a baker should be allowed to refuse to make an interracial marriage cake. Freedom isn't freedom if people have to do what you want them to do. Duh.

Also, equating between homosexuality and race is invalid. Objecting to homosexual marriage has a firm foundation on both grounds of Christian religion and on practical interests. Homosexuality is neither Christian nor practical (i.e. beneficial as opposed to destructive). Interracial marriage might be deemed distasteful, even with some sort of grasping for straws theological argument, and may be sometimes impractical, but it is not inherently unchristian or impractical. I proudly believe that we should grant more deference to Christian faith and practical matters.

You might as well ask if a baker can turn down a making a cake for a homosexual celebration, can he also turn down making a cake for a celebration of child rape?