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Time is not an Eternal Concept

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by rockytopva, Feb 19, 2020.

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    If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

    Mass can dis-associate into plasma energy (E/c2)
    Plasma energy can re-associate into mass (m)

    Making mass, I believe, eternal stuff. Time, however, is not eternal and soon will cease.

    Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

    The mass of the universe existed without form and I can imagine it as a cluster out in space awaiting some kind of Big Bang to dis-associate the mass into plasma energy. Time I don’t believe came about until the earth began orbit around the sun. The time on earth is limited and if things continue on by themselves the sun will likely pull the planets in and explode returning things to the E/c2 from which she was forged. I can imagine the plasma returning to the mass without form.

    The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

    The universe, then, becomes a space of time in eternity. Something like a vapor that only appears for a moment, and then dissipated away (James 4:14). As the eternity is forever behind and forever ahead there becomes a great sea of forgetfulness in which it is impossible to log the eternities before and the eternity that will be ahead. Therefore the concept of time must soon cease.

    For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.- Isaiah 65:16

    And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: - Revelation 10:5-6

    The universe then becomes an eternal day.
     
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    The universe will be destroyed so that all that will be left are Heaven and Hell.
     
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    New Jerusalem and the lake of Fire....
     
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    God created the Universe from nothing, correct?
     
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    I have the universe without form and void. I believe by God saying, “Let there be light!” Turned the m (mass) into plasma energy (E/c2) and everything expanded out from a point of origin. The earth being put in orbit around the sun constituted the first day.
     
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    I think that the sun was made on the 4th day. Genesis 1:14-19 (KJV) And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
     
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    So God reshaped what was already existing, but did not create from nothing?
     
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    I believe as E = mc2 so

    m (mass) = E/c2 (Energy)

    God was always there. He was never created and he will never be destroyed. But the form of the E/c2 will change as he wills it.

    For our God is a consuming fire. - Hebrews 12:29

    God is E/c2... He can cool E/c2 to form mass, or he can turn it back into the plasma from which it was forged.

    And the earth was without form, and void; - Genesis 1:2

    We find in Genesis chapter one that the earth was without form and void. Then God said, "Let there be light!" And there was light - Genesis 1:3.

    The light was made available through the dis-association of mass. This was what scientist call the big boom. As the mass dissociated into light and energy it also spread out from a point of origin.

    I would say the equivalent (I say equivalent as the concept of time was not in existence) of 15 billion years went by and then God moves again...

    "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness." - - Genesis 1:4

    For God to have divided the light from the darkness I would assume that the planet earth is formed and put into orbit around the sun.

    "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." - Genesis 1:5

    Notice that the first day was not declared until after the planet earth was put in orbit. Therefore the known universe is very old, and the planet earth is in comparison very young. The creation story then unfolds as scripture told it...

    Day 1 - Planet Earth is put into orbit, dividing the light from the darkness.
    Day 2 - The atmosphere is created
    Day 3 - Dry land arises from the sea
    Day 4 - The atmosphere clears, allowing the moon and the stars to shine through
    Day 5 - The sea creatures are created
    Day 6 - Land based creatures, including man, are created
    Day 7 - God rests on the seventh day

    Very soon the mass is going to return to the light and the energy from whence it was forged...

    But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. - 2 Peter 3:12-13
     
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    Ah, the known universe is very old. That is the Hindu idea that the Greeks picked up and the Enlightenment popularized. That makes Hinduism true on that point and Christianity false, or else Hinduism is false and Christianity is true and the universe is not old.
     
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    God created it to look old!
     
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    How would a man know? Didn't we decide that the curse and the flood took the new car look off the universe?
     
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    If God created man from nothing he would return to nothing. But... God created man fro dust, similar to that which was without form. And to the dust man will return...

    In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. - Genesis 3:19
     
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    You don’t understand E=mc^2. You’re clueless about the basic science behind it.
    Space-Time. Space and time are linked. If you believe the physics will remain the same with the coming of the Kingdom of God then time will have to be a part of it because without time you can’t have space.

    If you say that physics isn’t going to be the same then there is no use in talking about current physics.

    Basically, this is a dead-end subject. And even if it isn’t, you’d have to put in actual work to understand enough to make it work.
     
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    I am a lab tech at a large factory and have much experience with spectrometers. Energize mass and it will change it to light and energy. Let that light pass through a prism and you can measure the intensity and come up with a percentage.

    m (mass) can be changed to energy (E/c2)
    Energy (E/c2) can reform into mass
     
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    Mass spectrometer measures the relative mass of ionized atoms passing through a magnetic field.
     
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    OEC would disagree.
     
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    There was never nothingness. Nothingness has no existence or it would not be nothingness. Therefore there was always an uncaused existence. What is uncaused has no God. It is therefore self existent. Which is a meaning of God's Hebrew Name.
     
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    I have experience with OES (optical emissions), AA (Atomic Absorbance), and other spectrometers as well. We use to have to use acetylene and nitrous oxide to read tin, which made for a huge flame!
     
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    Disagree with what?
     
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